Mon, 26 Dec 2022 00:42:19 +0000

Ossessionato
2007 Stella 225
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Ossessionato
2007 Stella 225
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Mon, 26 Dec 2022 00:42:19 +0000 quote
greasy125 wrote:
I always love the: this doesn't run but it did, and totally ran great and I actually want real vespa money for it posts.
Or "IT JUST NEEDS A TUNE UP" if all it needs is a basic tune up why not do that and sell a running scooter.
Mon, 26 Dec 2022 17:00:22 +0000

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Vespa GTS 250 , Baotian 70cc rat scooter, Yamaha V50M 1979
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Vespa GTS 250 , Baotian 70cc rat scooter, Yamaha V50M 1979
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Mon, 26 Dec 2022 17:00:22 +0000 quote
Don't know if we have Craigslist this side the pond but do you reckon I could flip this "only starts in warm weather, probably only needs a carb clean" as a Vespa ( I didn't know it was a 139qmb, it has a Vespa sticker on it ).



Mon, 26 Dec 2022 17:13:36 +0000

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'58 VBA '79CT90
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Location: Chico CA
 
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Mon, 26 Dec 2022 17:13:36 +0000 quote
Gumtree. Give it a whirl.
Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:05:53 +0000

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1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
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Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
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Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:05:53 +0000 quote
Haha! When we had the shop, a guy came to service a "Piaggio Typhoon" he had bought. It was a Chinese POS scooter with "Typhoon" stickers on it. Funny thing is that they weren't even spelled correctly. They said "TYFFOON"
Wed, 18 Jan 2023 08:36:08 +0000

Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
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Ossessionato
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Wed, 18 Jan 2023 08:36:08 +0000 quote
They now do key rings too…





Thu, 19 Jan 2023 14:55:35 +0000

Not So Moderator
VNB VSC o9c VMA vbc vmb VSX
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Location: Hustletown, TX
 
Not So Moderator
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Thu, 19 Jan 2023 14:55:35 +0000 quote
*giggles*
Thu, 02 Feb 2023 04:11:50 +0000

Enthusiast
1987 Motovespa do Brasil PX200 elestart, 1979 P200E
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Location: San Jose, CA
 
Enthusiast
1987 Motovespa do Brasil PX200 elestart, 1979 P200E
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Thu, 02 Feb 2023 04:11:50 +0000 quote
Scary a "legit" shop is selling this as a "well restored, Vietnam-sourced Sprint 150". Scary

https://www.revolutionmoto.com/pre-owned/1968-vespa-sprint
Thu, 02 Feb 2023 04:21:36 +0000

Veni, Vidi, Posti
'15 GTS300, '86 PX125EFL, '66 VBB, '01 ET4
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Veni, Vidi, Posti
'15 GTS300, '86 PX125EFL, '66 VBB, '01 ET4
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Thu, 02 Feb 2023 04:21:36 +0000 quote
almogavar69 wrote:
Scary a "legit" shop is selling this as a "well restored, Vietnam-sourced Sprint 150". Scary

https://www.revolutionmoto.com/pre-owned/1968-vespa-sprint
at least they're honest with what it is
Sat, 11 Feb 2023 08:43:56 +0000

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2 matching N.Z. '69 VBC Super, 177cc Racer, VespaCross Bodge, Puch SRA150, Piaggio Zip 100! & others
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Sat, 11 Feb 2023 08:43:56 +0000 quote
Sidecar anyone?
I know that AUD$ is a bit lower than some currencies at the moment, hence why they are only asking a reasonable $40k AUD

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/924051612066544/



Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:46:51 +0000

Hooked
1959 VBA ,166, original 8's. 2005 Stella 177
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Location: Winder GA
 
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Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:20:41 +0000

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:59:35 +0000
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Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:20:41 +0000 quote
Mod Eric The Skin wrote:
That front wheel, just looks...... wrong. $6K!! I'm slapping some paint on my VBA.
Yeah, something definitely funky going on with that fork.

I think my two favorite bits are whatever that kickstart lever is, along with the drip cup under the engine to catch leaks while parked.

And any time I see that color, I wonder if that's one of the old ScooterWorks Pakistan imports. That was one of the colors they used, but it looks too good to have been knocking around for ten or fifteen years, even if it never starts gets ridden.
Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:29:25 +0000

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1959 VBA ,166, original 8's. 2005 Stella 177
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Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:29:25 +0000 quote
chandlerman wrote:
Yeah, something definitely funky going on with that fork.

I think my two favorite bits are whatever that kickstart lever is, along with the drip cup under the engine to catch leaks while parked.

And any time I see that color, I wonder if that's one of the old ScooterWorks Pakistan imports. That was one of the colors they used, but it looks too good to have been knocking around for ten or fifteen years, even if it never starts gets ridden.
Looks like a P kick start lever that has the end bent out?
Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:40:14 +0000

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76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:40:14 +0000 quote
Mod Eric The Skin wrote:
Looks like a P kick start lever that has the end bent out?
That was my first thought, too, but I don't even think it's that. I don't know what it is. Random sand casting, maybe?
Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:04:13 +0000

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1959 VBA ,166, original 8's. 2005 Stella 177
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Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:04:13 +0000 quote
chandlerman wrote:
That was my first thought, too, but I don't even think it's that. I don't know what it is. Random sand casting, maybe?
You're right, in my experience (dropping a couple of scooters) the aluminum would snap before it gave that much.
Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:25:39 +0000

Style Maven
'74 50s x3 '78 P200 E '84 Cosa '91 PK50XL2 '58 AllState '68 Sprint '80 50special and a '66(?) Super125
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Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:25:39 +0000 quote
It looks like one of those forged black STEEL kickstart levers some LML motors have, not cast. And the aluminum ones on our Vespas are not cast either, but forged aluminum. You can tell by the much wider 'parting line' that forgings have and you can see it on the back side of stock parts.

Generally speaking, forgings are much stronger & tougher, can bend some without breaking - a cast aluminum kickstart would not last long.

How to tell the difference:


Why it's stronger:



That attachment bolt looks janky too.

Mon, 13 Feb 2023 22:36:46 +0000

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Mon, 13 Feb 2023 22:36:46 +0000 quote
man, like CM said, I'll bet that's a old SW slop job. the black P style lever, kinda gives it away.

but that front fork/fender is wack. it almost looks like the fender is on backward!
Tue, 14 Feb 2023 00:17:34 +0000

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1959 VBA ,166, original 8's. 2005 Stella 177
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Tue, 14 Feb 2023 00:17:34 +0000 quote
V oodoo wrote:
It looks like one of those forged black STEEL kickstart levers some LML motors have, not cast. And the aluminum ones on our Vespas are not cast either, but forged aluminum. You can tell by the much wider 'parting line' that forgings have and you can see it on the back side of stock parts.

Generally speaking, forgings are much stronger & tougher, can bend some without breaking - a cast aluminum kickstart would not

How to tell the difference:


Why it's stronger:

The more you know! 🌈
Thu, 16 Feb 2023 10:20:00 +0000

The Dude
Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money
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Thu, 16 Feb 2023 10:20:00 +0000 quote
VooDoo, Thanks for sharing this interesting explanation. I know You are the right person to offer this info. Pay attention ya youngsters Knowledge is power!
Thu, 16 Feb 2023 11:07:42 +0000

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Thu, 16 Feb 2023 11:07:42 +0000 quote
How do you get the grain flow on the 'blank' for the forged piece. I can understand why the flow is like it is for the machined bar stock and the forged piece but why doesnt the cast piece have a grain flow.
Thu, 16 Feb 2023 21:18:39 +0000

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Thu, 16 Feb 2023 21:18:39 +0000 quote
Matchlessman wrote:
How do you get the grain flow on the 'blank' for the forged piece. I can understand why the flow is like it is for the machined bar stock and the forged piece but why doesnt the cast piece have a grain flow.
The 'grain' is the alignment of the metal crystals as they solidify from liquid to solid. In castings the crystals solidify first in the thinnest sections, then progressively towards the heaviest sections but in no particular arrangement. Heat treating some alloys will rearrange them in a stronger matrix, but does not align them.

In bar stock the metal is hot rolled under pressure when it is formed to size which helps align the grain flow.

In forging, the same thing happens in closed die forging, but with progressive dies as it advances to final shape before trimming off the 'flash' at the parting line where all the excess metal was squeezed out.

Here's a quick primer:

Thu, 16 Feb 2023 21:46:03 +0000

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Thu, 16 Feb 2023 21:46:03 +0000 quote
The rolling of bar and the forming in forging also introduces stresses that can increase the yield strength but it can also drive larger crystals to refine into smaller ones. finer crystal structures have better fatigue strength.

So forging can do a blend of all sorts of magic.
Tue, 28 Feb 2023 14:18:57 +0000

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Tue, 28 Feb 2023 14:18:57 +0000 quote
GeekLion wrote:
VooDoo, Thanks for sharing this interesting explanation. I know You are the right person to offer this info. Pay attention ya youngsters Knowledge is power!
Not deriding the info at all! Just a joke on an old commercial. Loved the insight!
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