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I always love the: this doesn't run but it did, and totally ran great and I actually want real vespa money for it posts.
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greasy125 wrote: I always love the: this doesn't run but it did, and totally ran great and I actually want real vespa money for it posts. |
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Don't know if we have Craigslist this side the pond but do you reckon I could flip this "only starts in warm weather, probably only needs a carb clean" as a Vespa ( I didn't know it was a 139qmb, it has a Vespa sticker on it ).
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Haha! When we had the shop, a guy came to service a "Piaggio Typhoon" he had bought. It was a Chinese POS scooter with "Typhoon" stickers on it. Funny thing is that they weren't even spelled correctly. They said "TYFFOON"
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Scary a "legit" shop is selling this as a "well restored, Vietnam-sourced Sprint 150". Scary
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almogavar69 wrote: Scary a "legit" shop is selling this as a "well restored, Vietnam-sourced Sprint 150". Scary https://www.revolutionmoto.com/pre-owned/1968-vespa-sprint |
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Sidecar anyone?
I know that AUD$ is a bit lower than some currencies at the moment, hence why they are only asking a reasonable $40k AUD https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/924051612066544/ ![]() |
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That front wheel, just looks...... wrong. $6K!! I'm slapping some paint on my VBA. |
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Mod Eric The Skin wrote: That front wheel, just looks...... wrong. $6K!! I'm slapping some paint on my VBA. I think my two favorite bits are whatever that kickstart lever is, along with the drip cup under the engine to catch leaks while parked. And any time I see that color, I wonder if that's one of the old ScooterWorks Pakistan imports. That was one of the colors they used, but it looks too good to have been knocking around for ten or fifteen years, even if it never |
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chandlerman wrote: Yeah, something definitely funky going on with that fork. I think my two favorite bits are whatever that kickstart lever is, along with the drip cup under the engine to catch leaks while parked. And any time I see that color, I wonder if that's one of the old ScooterWorks Pakistan imports. That was one of the colors they used, but it looks too good to have been knocking around for ten or fifteen years, even if it never |
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Mod Eric The Skin wrote: Looks like a P kick start lever that has the end bent out? |
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chandlerman wrote: That was my first thought, too, but I don't even think it's that. I don't know what it is. Random sand casting, maybe? |
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It looks like one of those forged black STEEL kickstart levers some LML motors have, not cast. And the aluminum ones on our Vespas are not cast either, but forged aluminum. You can tell by the much wider 'parting line' that forgings have and you can see it on the back side of stock parts.
Generally speaking, forgings are much stronger & tougher, can bend some without breaking - a cast aluminum kickstart would not last long. How to tell the difference: Why it's stronger: ![]() ![]() That attachment bolt looks janky too.
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man, like CM said, I'll bet that's a old SW slop job. the black P style lever, kinda gives it away.
but that front fork/fender is wack. it almost looks like the fender is on backward! |
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V oodoo wrote: It looks like one of those forged black STEEL kickstart levers some LML motors have, not cast. And the aluminum ones on our Vespas are not cast either, but forged aluminum. You can tell by the much wider 'parting line' that forgings have and you can see it on the back side of stock parts. Generally speaking, forgings are much stronger & tougher, can bend some without breaking - a cast aluminum kickstart would not How to tell the difference: Why it's stronger: ![]() |
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VooDoo, Thanks for sharing this interesting explanation. I know You are the right person to offer this info. Pay attention ya youngsters Knowledge is power!
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How do you get the grain flow on the 'blank' for the forged piece. I can understand why the flow is like it is for the machined bar stock and the forged piece but why doesnt the cast piece have a grain flow.
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Matchlessman wrote: How do you get the grain flow on the 'blank' for the forged piece. I can understand why the flow is like it is for the machined bar stock and the forged piece but why doesnt the cast piece have a grain flow. In bar stock the metal is hot rolled under pressure when it is formed to size which helps align the grain flow. In forging, the same thing happens in closed die forging, but with progressive dies as it advances to final shape before trimming off the 'flash' at the parting line where all the excess metal was squeezed out. Here's a quick primer:
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The rolling of bar and the forming in forging also introduces stresses that can increase the yield strength but it can also drive larger crystals to refine into smaller ones. finer crystal structures have better fatigue strength.
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GeekLion wrote: VooDoo, Thanks for sharing this interesting explanation. I know You are the right person to offer this info. Pay attention ya youngsters Knowledge is power! |
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