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bodgey as hell.
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Even if it's not a Nammer (which it is), it's ridiculously overpriced.
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Seriously though, what are the giveaways? I can walk there from work, and I'd like to talk to them about it. They sell ferari's and exotic imports do they probly have no idea. They've never had a scooter on the lot before.
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Seriously though, what are the giveaways? I can walk there from work, and I'd like to talk to them about it. They sell ferari's and exotic imports do they probly have no idea. They've never had a scooter on the lot before.
Just google "Viet Bodge Vespa" Tons of info and photos. That one is somewhat mild on the excessive bling, but still a b o d g e. The legsheild chrome, the glovebox and the speedo raises the red flag on it. At one time I did not what a bodge was untill I saw one in person, quite frequently at a friends garage with constant problems till he put in a new LML engine, and then it ran, till the shifter tube snapped and almost hurt the guy. Atleast the paint was real pretty on that one.
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Seriously though, what are the giveaways? I can walk there from work, and I'd like to talk to them about it. They sell ferari's and exotic imports do they probly have no idea. They've never had a scooter on the lot before.
Why would you want to talk to them about it. A Sprint for $7,000? I paid a fair bit less than that for my GS 160.

Or would your talk just be for fun to learn about the history of the bike?
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Even if he went to the place loaded for bear with all the info found here, the people wouldn't care... They'll wait for some rich guy, who Thinks he's getting a very shiny museum piece to put in his all white, spotless, checkered floor, with framed pictures of exotic cars on the wall... garage.
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Seriously though, what are the giveaways? I can walk there from work, and I'd like to talk to them about it. They sell ferari's and exotic imports do they probly have no idea. They've never had a scooter on the lot before.
Why would you want to talk to them about it. A Sprint for $7,000? I paid a fair bit less than that for my GS 160.

Or would your talk just be for fun to learn about the history of the bike?
That's pretty much it, to find out if they know they are scamming someone. They don't seem like the kind of guys that would do that, they seem ignorant to me.
I also had someone try and sell me this beauty:
http://orlando.craigslist.org/mcy/2894915088.html

Its seems like there are almost more nammers than legits now.
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$7k for that?! BODGE!
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It has nothing to do with the price. That thing is a Vietnam bodge, no doubt about it. That place may know Ferarris, but they know ZERO about Vespa.

If you are able to listen to good advice, you will stay the hell away.
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By the way, there is a way to contact this seller on his site and educate him about the dangerous piece of junk he has on his lot. We wrote to him because we're very interested in making everyone aware of the history and risks associated with see bikes.

Perhaps those of us who know these bodges and want to actually help buyers and sellers should all do what we can to educate others, instead of just castigating them.
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It has nothing to do with the price. That thing is a Vietnam bodge, no doubt about it. That place may know Ferarris, but they know ZERO about Vespa.

If you are able to listen to good advice, you will stay the hell away.
Yeah, I never planned on looking to buy it. I was trying to figure out if they even knew what they had.
I'm putting together a 62 vnb right now. I am just shocked at all the local bodges that I've found during my search for this frame.

Im glad you email them. I hope they listen.

Is there ever a chance that people will start taking legal action against the dealers that sold them these things? I mean, someone is gonna die riding one... if it hasn't happened already.
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By the way, there is a way to contact this seller on his site and educate him about the dangerous piece of junk he has on his lot. We wrote to him because we're very interested in making everyone aware of the history and risks associated with see bikes.

Perhaps those of us who know these bodges and want to actually help buyers and sellers should all do what we can to educate others, instead of just castigating them.
Unfortunately they are just going to read your correspondance and immediately assume you are simply trying to cut them out of the market. These buffoons will suddenly get the idea they have struck gold. Now next month you will see 5 bodges in their lot all priced at 10k each. Hey at least it is inflating the market... yay! I'm off to take a crap.
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Recently opened in Melbourne. The sign above the shop is a giveaway:
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These scooters have the full list of very well documented cosmetic identification points as to their provenance and I cannot comment on what is hidden, but what was more shocking is their price ($7000 - $8000) and then some of the comments of the seller: "much better to buy one of these compared to a new scooter as these are investments and will only appreciate in value"; "fully restored"; "engine reconditioned so need to be run-in" and "wouldn't use them for daily use, rather just occasional use", amongst others.
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I heard (from Vietnam) that someone was opening a "Vespa Museum" in Melbourne, had ordered a Vespa cut in half to put above his shop and has already had 70 Vespas shipped. Another 60 are awaiting import approval. I understand too that of those 70, 30 wouldn't even start. I am not saying that this shop (which has 20 or so Vespas and a couple of Lambrettas on display) is the same one I heard about, but I sincerely hope there isn't another one of these here!
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Caveat emptor.
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Recently opened in Melbourne. The sign above the shop is a giveaway...

Caveat emptor.
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Where is that place sdhog?
Corner Canterbury and Armstrong, Middle Park

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Not a rich part of Tampa
Born and raised in Tampa.
That shop is 2 blocks south of where you can buy any candy of your choice and any hardware needed to protect yourself. Ybor City, is a few blocks further North.
To the south and west are the shipping and rail docks, to the east industrial ugly.
No, he's taking advantage that he's on a corridor frequently traveled and selling BODGES.
The two good things nearby are the aquarium and the Hockey stadium for the Lightning.
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Born and raised in Tampa.
That shop is 2 blocks south of where you can buy any candy of your choice and any hardware needed to protect yourself. Ybor City, is a few blocks further North.
To the south and west are the shipping and rail docks, to the east industrial ugly.
No, he's taking advantage that he's on a corridor frequently traveled and selling BODGES.
The two good things nearby are the aquarium and the Hockey stadium for the Lightning.
The shop is in Melbourne, Australia.

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I was responding to this post. Sorry for the confusion.
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bodgey as hell.
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Ahhh missed that one . Me sorry too.
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He's buying them for what...$1500? and selling them on for $7000. What a prick.
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He's buying them for what...$1500? and selling them on for $7000. What a prick.
Don't blame him. The blame lies squarely on the morons buying them.
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And of course it's spring so....

http://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/2989243129.html

Not a bodge just over priced...
http://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/2897319872.html
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Ι can detect many faults on the last one.

4k is quite a lot IMHO
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Ι can detect many faults on the last one.

4k is quite a lot IMHO
Hmm....looking at it again I believe you may be right. Nice glove box
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Is this a Bodge?
It is a VLB 150 1969

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It has had some work done to it that is documented e.g white wall tyres. It is in Australia.

"aparently" the engine and framed are "stamped"

I am sorry i do not know the engine number or frame number.

Be nice i'm a newb
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some lad has that up on another thread.

www.modernvespa.com/forum/topic101231
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Thats me, thought this thread would be more appropriate as a few people on the other thought it was a bodge
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I don't know if it is a bodge or not, if it is it is not classic bodge i.e. Chrome finisher around top of steering column, lots of chrome accessories etc. The thing you really need before going any further is the frame and engine number as this will tell you the location of production. It ma y be an Indo or Indian scoot but until you have the numbers there is no way of knowing.

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I am new to these Vespas so please be nice.

I don't understand how it could be profitable to chop and weld a Vespa together out of so many small parts like the sandblasted photos have shown. The welding time and bondo/body/paint work alone would make the cost of the labor unprofitable I would imagine.

Is the implication that this is done in Vietnam or elsewhere in SE Asia where labor is either free or very cheap?

Any shop with the skills to turn a pile of metal parts into something looking halfway decent on the outside certanly has the skills to restore legit Vespas. Why sell dangerous ones or at least why not weld properly and then strengthen and reinforce the body/frame and sell it as an honest bike?
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I am new to these Vespas so please be nice.

I don't understand how it could be profitable to chop and weld a Vespa together out of so many small parts like the sandblasted photos have shown. The welding time and bondo/body/paint work alone would make the cost of the labor unprofitable I would imagine.

Is the implication that this is done in Vietnam or elsewhere in SE Asia where labor is either free or very cheap?

Any shop with the skills to turn a pile of metal parts into something looking halfway decent on the outside certanly has the skills to restore legit Vespas. Why sell dangerous ones or at least why not weld properly and then strengthen and reinforce the body/frame and sell it as an honest bike?
In a number of third world countries, labor - even skilled labor - is very cheap, so there is no deficit in turning scrap metal into shiny, dangerous playthings for rich, stupid foreigners. Why bother to make it safe when there is more profit involved with a quick turnaround? It's not like your overseas victims have any recourse.
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The buyers are victims of their own stupidity and lack of research.
While I agree now, I think that it's not so much stupidity as naivety, or "Americanism" even. I found out about these bogdes about seven years ago, I got interested in scooters, and even though I knew it wasn't realistic for me at that time, I browsed a lot. I found all these shiny restored from the ground up gems on eBay and thought, "Wow these are a really good deal, they have lots of them so they must know what they're doing, and it's all brand new."

I think most average people would probably think that way, and many of them would jump on it. Just like if there's a shop in town that restores classic cars, you see them coming and going all the time, a bunch sitting outside with shiny paint and a sign that says "Completely Restored!" you're going to assume they must be good at what they do to keep that turnaround going.

So back to me. I went into the motorcycle area of the Volkswagen forum I frequent, asking what's up with these things. Instantly I was told to stay away, they're unsafe, they're only good for a store window decoration and that's it. So that was that. But, I know that most of America isn't like that. I wouldn't say it's stupid, just naive.
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The buyer doesn't give any details whatsoever. The photos speak for themselves though

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/mcy/3123605670.html
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The buyer doesn't give any details whatsoever. The photos speak for themselves though

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/mcy/3123605670.html
This doesn't scream bodge to me. Besides the fact they all love the word "original" when clearly it isn't. But I don't see the hallmarks, like excessive chrome or Piaggio wings. To me, the only things that stand out are the matching seats and spare cover, and the two tone paint. I don't think that alone should condemn it, but maybe I'm missing something.
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The buyer doesn't give any details whatsoever. The photos speak for themselves though

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/mcy/3123605670.html
I wouldn't say that's a bodge, just a poor choice of paint and 'upgrades'. Whilst a glance might make you think it's straight out of SAE it doesn't have all the tell tale signs.
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Re: Is this a Bodge?
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It is a VLB 150 1969
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It has had some work done to it that is documented e.g white wall tyres. It is in Australia.

"aparently" the engine and framed are "stamped"

I am sorry i do not know the engine number or frame number.

Be nice i'm a newb
Main rule, twin tone and split hoover saddle is very suspicious 'bodgy'
Secondly, chrome bars and rear carrier with spare tyre...mmm.
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