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http://www.bayshoreautomotive.com/1967-Vespa-VLB-SPRINT-150-SPRINT-Tampa-Florida-33605/3033939
Can't tell if bodge or just rich part of town.[/url]
Can't tell if bodge or just rich part of town.[/url]
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Preson777 wrote: http://www.bayshoreautomotive.com/1967-Vespa-VLB-SPRINT-150-SPRINT-Tampa-Florida-33605/3033939 Can't tell if bodge or just rich part of town.[/url] |
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Re: Vietampa?
Preson777 wrote: http://www.bayshoreautomotive.com/1967-Vespa-VLB-SPRINT-150-SPRINT-Tampa-Florida-33605/3033939 Can't tell if bodge or just rich part of town.[/url] |
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Seriously though, what are the giveaways? I can walk there from work, and I'd like to talk to them about it. They sell ferari's and exotic imports do they probly have no idea. They've never had a scooter on the lot before.
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Preson777 wrote: Seriously though, what are the giveaways? I can walk there from work, and I'd like to talk to them about it. They sell ferari's and exotic imports do they probly have no idea. They've never had a scooter on the lot before. |
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Preson777 wrote: Seriously though, what are the giveaways? I can walk there from work, and I'd like to talk to them about it. They sell ferari's and exotic imports do they probly have no idea. They've never had a scooter on the lot before. Or would your talk just be for fun to learn about the history of the bike? |
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Even if he went to the place loaded for bear with all the info found here, the people wouldn't care... They'll wait for some rich guy, who Thinks he's getting a very shiny museum piece to put in his all white, spotless, checkered floor, with framed pictures of exotic cars on the wall... garage.
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nomadinsiam wrote: Preson777 wrote: Seriously though, what are the giveaways? I can walk there from work, and I'd like to talk to them about it. They sell ferari's and exotic imports do they probly have no idea. They've never had a scooter on the lot before. Or would your talk just be for fun to learn about the history of the bike? I also had someone try and sell me this beauty: http://orlando.craigslist.org/mcy/2894915088.html Its seems like there are almost more nammers than legits now. |
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Re: Vietampa?
Preson777 wrote: http://www.bayshoreautomotive.com/1967-Vespa-VLB-SPRINT-150-SPRINT-Tampa-Florida-33605/3033939 Can't tell if bodge or just rich part of town.[/url] |
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It has nothing to do with the price. That thing is a Vietnam bodge, no doubt about it. That place may know Ferarris, but they know ZERO about Vespa.
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By the way, there is a way to contact this seller on his site and educate him about the dangerous piece of junk he has on his lot. We wrote to him because we're very interested in making everyone aware of the history and risks associated with see bikes.
Perhaps those of us who know these bodges and want to actually help buyers and sellers should all do what we can to educate others, instead of just castigating them. |
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Bar Italia Classics wrote: It has nothing to do with the price. That thing is a Vietnam bodge, no doubt about it. That place may know Ferarris, but they know ZERO about Vespa. If you are able to listen to good advice, you will stay the hell away. I'm putting together a 62 vnb right now. I am just shocked at all the local bodges that I've found during my search for this frame. Im glad you email them. I hope they listen. Is there ever a chance that people will start taking legal action against the dealers that sold them these things? I mean, someone is gonna die riding one... if it hasn't happened already. |
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Bar Italia Classics wrote: By the way, there is a way to contact this seller on his site and educate him about the dangerous piece of junk he has on his lot. We wrote to him because we're very interested in making everyone aware of the history and risks associated with see bikes. Perhaps those of us who know these bodges and want to actually help buyers and sellers should all do what we can to educate others, instead of just castigating them. |
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Recently opened in Melbourne. The sign above the shop is a giveaway:
![]() These scooters have the full list of very well documented cosmetic identification points as to their provenance and I cannot comment on what is hidden, but what was more shocking is their price ($7000 - $8000) and then some of the comments of the seller: "much better to buy one of these compared to a new scooter as these are investments and will only appreciate in value"; "fully restored"; "engine reconditioned so need to be run-in" and "wouldn't use them for daily use, rather just occasional use", amongst others. ![]() ![]() I heard (from Vietnam) that someone was opening a "Vespa Museum" in Melbourne, had ordered a Vespa cut in half to put above his shop and has already had 70 Vespas shipped. Another 60 are awaiting import approval. I understand too that of those 70, 30 wouldn't even start. I am not saying that this shop (which has 20 or so Vespas and a couple of Lambrettas on display) is the same one I heard about, but I sincerely hope there isn't another one of these here! ![]() Caveat emptor. |
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sdhog2002 wrote: Recently opened in Melbourne. The sign above the shop is a giveaway... Caveat emptor. |
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Not a rich part of Tampa
Born and raised in Tampa.
That shop is 2 blocks south of where you can buy any candy of your choice and any hardware needed to protect yourself. Ybor City, is a few blocks further North. To the south and west are the shipping and rail docks, to the east industrial ugly. No, he's taking advantage that he's on a corridor frequently traveled and selling BODGES. The two good things nearby are the aquarium and the Hockey stadium for the Lightning. |
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David's Allstate wrote: Born and raised in Tampa. That shop is 2 blocks south of where you can buy any candy of your choice and any hardware needed to protect yourself. Ybor City, is a few blocks further North. To the south and west are the shipping and rail docks, to the east industrial ugly. No, he's taking advantage that he's on a corridor frequently traveled and selling BODGES. The two good things nearby are the aquarium and the Hockey stadium for the Lightning. Cheers |
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I was responding to this post. Sorry for the confusion.
JSharpPhoto wrote: Preson777 wrote: http://www.bayshoreautomotive.com/1967-Vespa-VLB-SPRINT-150-SPRINT-Tampa-Florida-33605/3033939 Can't tell if bodge or just rich part of town.[/url] |
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Bobo wrote: He's buying them for what...$1500? and selling them on for $7000. What a prick. |
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And of course it's spring so....
http://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/2989243129.html Not a bodge just over priced... http://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/2897319872.html |
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Neops wrote: Ι can detect many faults on the last one. 4k is quite a lot IMHO |
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Is this a Bodge?
It is a VLB 150 1969
![]() ![]() ![]() It has had some work done to it that is documented e.g white wall tyres. It is in Australia. "aparently" the engine and framed are "stamped" I am sorry i do not know the engine number or frame number. Be nice i'm a newb |
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Thats me, thought this thread would be more appropriate as a few people on the other thought it was a bodge
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I don't know if it is a bodge or not, if it is it is not classic bodge i.e. Chrome finisher around top of steering column, lots of chrome accessories etc. The thing you really need before going any further is the frame and engine number as this will tell you the location of production. It ma y be an Indo or Indian scoot but until you have the numbers there is no way of knowing.
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I am new to these Vespas so please be nice.
I don't understand how it could be profitable to chop and weld a Vespa together out of so many small parts like the sandblasted photos have shown. The welding time and bondo/body/paint work alone would make the cost of the labor unprofitable I would imagine. Is the implication that this is done in Vietnam or elsewhere in SE Asia where labor is either free or very cheap? Any shop with the skills to turn a pile of metal parts into something looking halfway decent on the outside certanly has the skills to restore legit Vespas. Why sell dangerous ones or at least why not weld properly and then strengthen and reinforce the body/frame and sell it as an honest bike? |
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manyscoots wrote: I am new to these Vespas so please be nice. I don't understand how it could be profitable to chop and weld a Vespa together out of so many small parts like the sandblasted photos have shown. The welding time and bondo/body/paint work alone would make the cost of the labor unprofitable I would imagine. Is the implication that this is done in Vietnam or elsewhere in SE Asia where labor is either free or very cheap? Any shop with the skills to turn a pile of metal parts into something looking halfway decent on the outside certanly has the skills to restore legit Vespas. Why sell dangerous ones or at least why not weld properly and then strengthen and reinforce the body/frame and sell it as an honest bike? |
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The buyers are victims of their own stupidity and lack of research. The real victims are the skilled workers sweating it out in workshops for a couple of bucks a day.
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Warhorse wrote: The buyers are victims of their own stupidity and lack of research. I think most average people would probably think that way, and many of them would jump on it. Just like if there's a shop in town that restores classic cars, you see them coming and going all the time, a bunch sitting outside with shiny paint and a sign that says "Completely Restored!" you're going to assume they must be good at what they do to keep that turnaround going. So back to me. I went into the motorcycle area of the Volkswagen forum I frequent, asking what's up with these things. Instantly I was told to stay away, they're unsafe, they're only good for a store window decoration and that's it. So that was that. But, I know that most of America isn't like that. I wouldn't say it's stupid, just naive. |
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The buyer doesn't give any details whatsoever. The photos speak for themselves though
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/mcy/3123605670.html |
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flyngti wrote: The buyer doesn't give any details whatsoever. The photos speak for themselves though http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/mcy/3123605670.html |
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flyngti wrote: The buyer doesn't give any details whatsoever. The photos speak for themselves though http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/mcy/3123605670.html |
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Re: Is this a Bodge?
maxpowerpt wrote: It is a VLB 150 1969 ..... It has had some work done to it that is documented e.g white wall tyres. It is in Australia. "aparently" the engine and framed are "stamped" I am sorry i do not know the engine number or frame number. Be nice i'm a newb Secondly, chrome bars and rear carrier with spare tyre...mmm. |
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