Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:51 pm

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Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:51 pm linkquote
Jkr22 wrote:
This is advertised through "Car and "Classic" in the Uk. Described as presentable which is ideal.
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1275039

Bodge? Price seems favourable.
That looks like it's probably legit. It has the split headset, and the VIN should tell you if it's a Douglas Vespa.
Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:13 pm

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Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:13 pm linkquote
that looks about right.



Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:39 am

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Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:39 am linkquote
See attached photo, I'm clearly no expert but that doesn't look good right?



Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:43 am

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Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:43 am linkquote
Although they fooked up the floor and the stand mounts, the rest looks legit for a Douglas...
Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:08 am

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Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:08 am linkquote
Jkr22 that cream Vespa is a Douglas Vespa 152l2 model. Correct seat and choke under the seat, taillight is wrong, these can be bought. Most spares cross with VBA/VBB, but some are particularly to this scooter, particularly the engine which is piston ported, spares are pretty difficult. 3k even if running is probably a bit much I would say if you can get it for under 2.5k running and driving then it's not a bad price. But I wouldn't recommend this to a beginner.
Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:33 am

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Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:33 am linkquote
Do you think the underside is anything to be concerned about? It's clearly had a repair job but is it likely hiding something more sinister? It's long way to go and see so don't really want a wasted journey if it's a bodge job. He's open to offers so who knows?
Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:37 am

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Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:37 am linkquote
From the photos it doesn't look too bad, but it's difficult to tell exactly what the underside is really like without looking really closely. One thing I can tell you it the stand has been replaced with a larger one. 152L2/VNA has only one hole each side and the stand brackets are unique to this model. This has been replaced with a later stand and brackets with 2 holes each side. Worst case scenerio the underside requires work or a complete replacement this is very costly.

Where is the scooter located?
Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:16 am

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Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:16 am linkquote
Thanks for all the info Timthemod. The scooter is in Bournemouth.
Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:25 pm

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Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:25 pm linkquote
Seller sent me some more photos, comments/advice most welcome. I haven't asked what the spare engine is from.















Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:24 am

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Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:24 am linkquote
All of the brown vinyl Indian-made dual saddle seats in the world should put into a giant crusher and turned into roofing insulation.
Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:57 am

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Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:57 am linkquote
timthemod wrote:
Jkr22 that cream Vespa is a Douglas Vespa 152l2 model. Correct seat and choke under the seat, taillight is wrong, these can be bought. Most spares cross with VBA/VBB, but some are particularly to this scooter, particularly the engine which is piston ported, spares are pretty difficult. 3k even if running is probably a bit much I would say if you can get it for under 2.5k running and driving then it's not a bad price. But I wouldn't recommend this to a beginner.
From what I've read on this site (so much info btw!!) and elsewhere, you're dead right that £3k is a bit steep. If you guys are happy this is probably not a bodge I'm considering making a cheeky offer.

When you say you wouldn't recommend to a beginner is that because parts are hard to source or are there just easier models to work on/drive?
Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:52 am

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Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:52 am linkquote
This concerns me a lot. Seems like a lot of shoddy welding. Makes me think it isn't just the stand underneath, but that the entire floorboard and center has been re-welded.



Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:39 am

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Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:39 am linkquote
I did wonder about that but thanks for confirming. Also, does this look like filler to you?



Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:50 am

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Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:50 am linkquote
It's hard to say just looking at the pictures. Could be, or it's just a really big sloppy bead. Take this with a grain of salt, but - based on the pics it might be that the floorboard and center were completely shot with rust. Too much rust to simply repair, so those parts were cut out and new(er) parts welded on. That would explain what we're looking at, but could only be verified in person.
Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:27 pm

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Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:27 pm linkquote
Thanks everyone for all your input. I'm not going to be able to view so think I'll walk away from this one and continue the search. I will no doubt be back for more advice in the future.
Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:41 pm

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Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:41 pm linkquote
Before you spend that kind of dough, you might say that you really need to carefully pull the gas tank and have a peek inside the frame. If there's nothing to hide and you're flashing cash, why would they say no?


And tip the bike over some to get a good look at this mud and water trap mess. I'd even ask to pull that off to see behind, probably only the four centerstand bolts.
Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:44 pm

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Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:44 pm linkquote
What do you guys think of this one, bodge or not? Frame number starts vbb2t and engine vbb2m.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/vespa-motorbikes/vespa-vbb-150/1389645718
Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:58 am

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Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:58 am linkquote
Jkr22 wrote:
What do you guys think of this one, bodge or not? Frame number starts vbb2t and engine vbb2m.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/vespa-motorbikes/vespa-vbb-150/1389645718
Looks legit!
Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:44 pm

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Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:44 pm linkquote
Not all original, but not seeing any obvious red flags on this one.
Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:07 pm

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Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:07 pm linkquote
Cowl trim looks suspicious
Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:44 am

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Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:44 am linkquote
Real Sprint or Sears Allstate?
This ad has been near where I live for awhile, now:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/674790013128632?ref=search&referral_code=undefined

I am a little confused; it shows Italian language paperwork, but the 2-tone paint and I am sure the tail light are wrong? And the price, of course, seems way out of line for it.

Opinions from the experts?
Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:28 am

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Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:28 am linkquote
Re: Real Sprint or Sears Allstate?
sp949 wrote:
This ad has been near where I live for awhile, now:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/674790013128632?ref=search&referral_code=undefined

I am a little confused; it shows Italian language paperwork, but the 2-tone paint and I am sure the tail light are wrong? And the price, of course, seems way out of line for it.

Opinions from the experts?
Why is the Italian paperwork confusing?? Where do you think it was made? That's the import sheet from Piaggio to Sears. Paint - yeah, they only came in solids and the tail light is correct for a blue badge AFAIK. Blue badge small frames had the Mickey Mouse tail ight Front fender looks strange. The rims are on backwards. Price - probably should be lower for sure.
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Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:42 pm

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Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:42 pm linkquote
I believe this one checks every box there is...

https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/1969-Vespa-SPRINT-150-S-5014972686
Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:48 pm

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Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:48 pm linkquote
JLeather wrote:
I believe this one checks every box there is...

https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/1969-Vespa-SPRINT-150-S-5014972686
Yes, yes, it does....

12k huh? I hope no one pays that or even close to that.

I especially like the front brake spacer-ring, pop riveted onto the 8" brake hub to fit a 10" wheel; and the de-laminating white-wall tires.


12 grand


silver spacer ring


white walls that are glued on?

Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:27 am

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Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:27 am linkquote
Scooterworks, at least, used to sell the "white wall" conversions. My Sprint had them on it when I bought it. You can guess how long that lasted in *my* garage!

There seem to be more of these older bodges that have been sitting in people's garages since they quit working and are now showing up in the hopes that they can get turned into a little quick cash.

It's the Bodge Indicator of economic distress...
Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:33 am

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Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:33 am linkquote
its amazing how many of them.. how many are ugly.. and how many are pink!

Now if it was a pink smallframe with a p200 engine and a massive expansion chamber, that is beautiful. But this. Pepto.
Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:43 am

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Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:43 am linkquote
swiss1939 wrote:
its amazing how many of them.. how many are ugly.. and how many are pink!

Now if it was a pink smallframe with a p200 engine and a massive expansion chamber, that is beautiful. But this. Pepto.
paint a hellow kitty on it put it in Sanrio and it might find another garage.
Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:21 pm

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Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:21 pm linkquote
Bring a Trailer...
What do you think?

People want to know.

I'm thinking it has issues. Too many logos, wrong wheels... my guess it might even be hard to register with that non OEM ID plate.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-vespa-vbb-150/


Cheers, I still have my project, I get distracted easily. Working on a Yamaha Baby stage grand piano, driving my Miata, gardening, playing with my dog, trying to make a living.
Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:09 am

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Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:09 am linkquote
Re: Bring a Trailer...
[quote="indiana VBB"]What do you think?

People want to know.

I'm thinking it has issues. Too many logos, wrong wheels... my guess it might even be hard to register with that non OEM ID plate.


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-vespa-vbb-150/


Cheers, I still have my project, I get distracted easily. Working on a Yamaha Baby stage grand piano, driving my Miata, gardening, playing with my dog, trying to make a living.[/quote


Don't bring a trailer.
Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:28 am

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Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:28 am linkquote
BAT VBB concern/opions
Mattgyver wrote:
Don't bring a trailer.
I see what you did there.

I think I'm slow on my project because I really don't see myself as a motorcyclist, although my neighbor hung up his Harley for a Porsche, and gave me his helmet, so I'm ready.

Be well.
Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:09 am

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Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:09 am linkquote




that is all.

-g
Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:52 am

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Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:52 am linkquote
greasy125 wrote:




that is all.

-g
Why the tag like that for the VIN? Are the original numbers gone? Just curious, I have a custom motorcycle that had the neck replaced with a state issued VIN.
Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:45 am

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Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:45 am linkquote
Even worse, that picture implies there are, at a minimum, 8,394 other similar hunks of garbage out there.
Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:30 pm

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Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:30 pm linkquote
Christopher_55934 wrote:
Why the tag like that for the VIN? Are the original numbers gone? Just curious, I have a custom motorcycle that had the neck replaced with a state issued VIN.
hell if i know. i didn't look and i don't care. i was tasked with shifter cables and a new selector box. drained the tank and went thru the carb real fast. it started and ran. i drove it around in my driveway and shipped it.

i know that the dude spent a boat load on it before, but i didn't see any paperwork. also, not my jam. i'm a mercenary. is broke, i fix. bye.

all of the classical wheels bikes i've ever worked on have tags like this. i've never looked to see if they have numbers. personally, i think the tag is bullshit just some made up nonsense.

anyway, a simple cable job turned into a three hour tour on this one. cuz... well... yeah....

-g
Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:35 pm

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Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:35 pm linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
Even worse, that picture implies there are, at a minimum, 8,394 other similar hunks of garbage out there.
i think, or at least i'd like to hope that their numbering system is, ummm... flawed? or, maybe, like random? who the hell knows.

i've seen two big handfuls of them here in socal and each and every single one was fucked out and special in its own way.

-g
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:09 am

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Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:09 am linkquote
A buddy had a bodge engine that was "seized" and never ran, so thought I'd take it apart and share some finds...

The flywheel would not budge, impact, heat. Thought maybe the crank/piston was seized, confirmed the piston had expanded and seized in jug. The piston was not a piaggio piston and had some weird markings on it, but through the process of unsticking it, the markings came off. Found they had rigged up a head gasket and still had some Vietnamese script.



The back side was revealing, under the clutch cover, it appears some genius felt that JB welding the clutch side seal .



So the crank wasn't going anywhere and I was starting to suspect the flywheel may be similarly bonded.



Never have I seen rust inside a solid piece of metal like that.



Gave up on splitting the cases the proper way and just had to get a look inside, no oil, dry as a bone, cush drive plate came off with slight pressure from a flathead, all the gears had signficant wear and hairline cracks, and there was more rust.

Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:06 pm

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Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:06 pm linkquote
You should have called me. I would have loved to sledgehammer that mofo apart.
Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:29 pm

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Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:29 pm linkquote
Tannerite, 5 gallon propane tank, a thunder stick, and 4 video cameras would have been my fallback plan.
Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:50 pm

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Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:50 pm linkquote
That's a perfectly....
That's a perfectly fine engine that the people at Bring a Trailer would pay several hundred dollars for. 8)
Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:33 am

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Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:33 am linkquote
trophies and engine toss for the Hill Country Classic VI in Austin
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