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I would have stayed with you too froggieposition. Us amphibians have to stick together...nothing kinky about that.
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I've put hundreds of thousands of miles on my bikes with FI, no issues. I also have NEVER read any issues of pump failures in the Ducatis, Hondas, Suzukis that I have owned.
Never hurts to do a little reading.
http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/tech/199643-fuel-pump-problems.html
http://www.ducati851and888.com/showthread.php?t=1545
http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/fuel.html
My only point - never say never.
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Dooglas wrote:
Desmolicious wrote:
I've put hundreds of thousands of miles on my bikes with FI, no issues. I also have NEVER read any issues of pump failures in the Ducatis, Hondas, Suzukis that I have owned.
Never hurts to do a little reading.
http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/tech/199643-fuel-pump-problems.html
http://www.ducati851and888.com/showthread.php?t=1545
http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/fuel.html
My only point - never say never.
Nice try but your example unwittingly proves my point.

Your first link is for ONE person who has a failed pump on his Monster.

Your second link is for ONE person who has a failed pump in his 22 year old 888! A failure that resulted because he ran his tank dry!

If you could have found threads detailing multiple failures on the same model bike, then it would have been a big deal.

As you pointed out previously, one example can be considered an anomaly, not a usual occurence.

The failed fuel pumps in a Vespa are a usual occurence, which is why SDG, the owner of Vespa Sherman Oaks, started a thread mentioning that there is talk of a recall.

p.s. adding a link to a shop selling Duc parts means nothing. I can add a link to a shop selling fuel pumps for any vehicle you care to imagine...
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Desmolicious wrote:
adding a link to a shop selling Duc parts means nothing. I can add a link to a shop selling fuel pumps for any vehicle you care to imagine...
The last link was for this quote from that shop -

"After failing to find a reasonable replacement for the costly OEM Ducati EFI fuel pump, we commissioned these pumps to be made for us! Exact replacement for all "holster type" fuel pumps on Ducatis with the fuel pump flange plate. Exact replacement for these Ducati models: MH900e (all years), S2R1000, S2R800, 999, 749, Multistrada MTS, Hypermotard HM, S4Rs. Also compatible with all "metal tank" Monsters and SSie models (the OEM pump has shorter length but is not a problem because the pump is clamped along the body). Standard pump designed for use at 3.5 bar (Ducati spec), while HP pump is 4.5 bar for use on racing engines with modified pressure valves. Dealer inquiries welcome. "

All any of this proves is that you now have heard of fuel pump failures on Ducatis. And I am sure anyone could look up similar information on other models as well. Have there been more failures on the pumps on the injected 250 Quasars? Posts here would suggest there have. My dealer says they are observing about a 1-2% failure rate (3 pumps over the past 2 years). That is certainly not good if you are in the 1%. Also doesn't sound like it means most fail. (I would personally like to see some good numbers on this - like how many warranty claims on GTS fuel pumps for how many scooters sold)
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Dooglas wrote:
From what I'ver heard, it is most likely to happen sooner if you have a defective pump. Plenty of folks are running around with 250s that show no signs of giving the owner any problem after many miles of operation. Like most any other problem, this one shows up on a small number of scooters - but you read about a high proportion of the failures.
Based on what I read, and like I wrote I better be well prepared. verything seem working well at the moment and I have not ride for more than 150km in a single trip. Hopefully it will broke down when I start my over 300km ride.
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Dooglas wrote:
Desmolicious wrote:
adding a link to a shop selling Duc parts means nothing. I can add a link to a shop selling fuel pumps for any vehicle you care to imagine...
The last link was for this quote from that shop -

"After failing to find a reasonable replacement for the costly OEM Ducati EFI fuel pump, we commissioned these pumps to be made for us! Exact replacement for all "holster type" fuel pumps on Ducatis with the fuel pump flange plate. Exact replacement for these Ducati models: MH900e (all years), S2R1000, S2R800, 999, 749, Multistrada MTS, Hypermotard HM, S4Rs. Also compatible with all "metal tank" Monsters and SSie models (the OEM pump has shorter length but is not a problem because the pump is clamped along the body). Standard pump designed for use at 3.5 bar (Ducati spec), while HP pump is 4.5 bar for use on racing engines with modified pressure valves. Dealer inquiries welcome. "

All any of this proves is that you now have heard of fuel pump failures on Ducatis. And I am sure anyone could look up similar information on other models as well. Have there been more failures on the pumps on the injected 250 Quasars? Posts here would suggest there have. My dealer says they are observing about a 1-2% failure rate (3 pumps over the past 2 years). That is certainly not good if you are in the 1%. Also doesn't sound like it means most fail. (I would personally like to see some good numbers on this - like how many warranty claims on GTS fuel pumps for how many scooters sold)
There's always going to be a supplier of parts, and if those parts seem too expensive, then someone will find a cheaper alternative.
It does not address the issue of rampant fuel pump failures. The only two threads you could find involve two bikes, that's it. One which happens to be over 22 years old and the rider admitting to running the pump dry.

But with Vespas, we see numerous threads with multiple complaints. Culminating with an honest to goodness Vespa dealer mentioning a possible recall of the fuel pumps in the works.

p.s. I realize that this has now become a bit of a pi$$ing contest between the two of us, so respecting your opinion I will now bow out of this one.

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