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Why not just come out and say what the real issue is? People are going to end up finding out one way or another.
What difference does it make? None of us are going to see this batch anyway.
To me it doesn't make a difference but there are a few people I know here on MV who have deposits on them and I'm sure would love to know. The comments above this also prove there are a whole lot of people that want to know too.
The overwhelming sentiment by those on MV without a dog in this hunt is towards some type of colusion, or deceptive business practice on Genuine's part over this. Of course that has often been a segue into Piaggio's "supremacy" as if they've never been in similar situation, had any QC issues, or faulty product....market perception issues, market desertions, what have you.

I'm relatively certain nobody in the world wants this fixed more than the folks at Genuine, who have multiple times the dollars, reputation, and market perception at stake than any dealer, or customer anxiously (or not) awaiting their dream scooters.

And regardless of what some may think of Genuine scooters, it is still a free country and we are all allowed to follow our bliss scooter-wise, if that means a 4t Stella, well who are we to criticize?

At the end of the day, when (maybe even if?) the Stella 4t make the market penetration they were headed for before this debacle, people will either be happy with them or not and no amount of this second guessing the motives or reasons for this delay will change those customers' experiences with their new Stellas either way.
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The overwhelming sentiment by those on MV without a dog in this hunt is towards some type of colusion, or deceptive business practice on Genuine's part over this.
That's because they offer no transparency as to what the issue is.
If they want to eliminate any insinuations of collusion or the such, all they have to do is tell us what the issue is.
Instead of come up with vague statements.
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Yup, by accepting perks outside what college athletes are meant to, he cost the USC football program and lost his Heisman too.
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The overwhelming sentiment by those on MV without a dog in this hunt is towards some type of colusion, or deceptive business practice on Genuine's part over this.
That's because they offer no transparency as to what the issue is.
If they want to eliminate any insinuations of collusion or the such, all they have to do is tell us what the issue is.
Instead of come up with vague statements.
Since I dont have a 4T Stella on order, I guess I don't feel they owe me ("us") an explanation....if I did have one on order, Id feel better if I knew what the delay was, but really Id just want my scooter.

Maybe they don't feel obligated to divulge what could possibly be trade secrets, secret recipes, technologies, or other proprietary info to the general public. Thats a possibility, and thats business.

As I see it their only fiduciary responsibilty is to those with deposits and their dealers, and that is to produce the deliverables as soon as possible, with all regulatory qualifications in-place, or cheerfully let them seek product elsewhere by refunding deposits.

The reason the scooters are being held in regulatory doesn't appear to be of value to anyone but the affected parties (Genuine, it's dealers and deposit holders) except to provide chat/rumor fodder for everyone else.

Even still all affected parties just want their scooters.
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The reason the scooters are being held in regulatory doesn't appear to be of value to anyone but the affected parties (Genuine, it's dealers and deposit holders) except to provide chat/rumor fodder for everyone else.

You missed one. Prospective customers - those that are considering putting down a deposit. How many of those have been scared away by this debacle?
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The reason the scooters are being held in regulatory doesn't appear to be of value to anyone but the affected parties (Genuine, it's dealers and deposit holders) except to provide chat/rumor fodder for everyone else.

You missed one. Prospective customers - those that are considering putting down a deposit. How many of those have been scared away by this debacle?
I think the customers and dealers in-hand come first, but you make a good point. Collateral sales damage is indeed the manufacturer's problem to deal with later.

Think about it though....people went out and snapped up Toyotas aplenty after their PR debacle this past spring.

The public has a short memory...


Edit: there are people second guessing potential Vespa purchases for reported fuel pump issues.
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The reason the scooters are being held in regulatory doesn't appear to be of value to anyone but the affected parties (Genuine, it's dealers and deposit holders) except to provide chat/rumor fodder for everyone else.

You missed one. Prospective customers - those that are considering putting down a deposit. How many of those have been scared away by this debacle?
[raises hand] At least one... [/]
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The overwhelming sentiment by those on MV without a dog in this hunt is towards some type of colusion, or deceptive business practice on Genuine's part over this.
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I don't see deception or collusion on Geniune's part. In fact, my comments have been more toward a manufacturing error by LML.

It is somewhat surprising that Genuine hasn't identified the actual problems, especially with their customers anxiously awaiting the scooter. Of course, nothing says Genuine has to tell the world exactly what went wrong, but, understandably, the lack of information has led to speculation.

All in all, it's a very unfortunate situation, both for Genuine and the customer's who are awaiting their scooters, no less LML.
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The overwhelming sentiment by those on MV without a dog in this hunt is towards some type of colusion, or deceptive business practice on Genuine's part over this.
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I don't see deception or collusion on Geniune's part. In fact, my comments have been more toward a manufacturing error by LML.

It is somewhat surprising that Genuine hasn't identified the actual problems, especially with their customers anxiously awaiting the scooter. Of course, nothing says Genuine has to tell the world exactly what went wrong, but, understandably, the lack of information has led to speculation.

All in all, it's a very unfortunate situation, both for Genuine and the customer's who are awaiting their scooters, no less LML.
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I think the customers and dealers in-hand come first, but you make a good point. Collateral sales damage is indeed the manufacturer's problem to deal with later.

Think about it though....people went out and snapped up Toyotas aplenty after their PR debacle this past spring.

The public has a short memory...


Edit: there are people second guessing potential Vespa purchases for reported fuel pump issues.
Big differences:
1/ Toyota offered huge incentives to move their cars as their sales plummeted.
2/ With Vespa, we KNOW about the fuel pump issues. With the Stella 4T, we do NOT know what the issue is. There's transparency with the Vespa issue that is missing with the Stella.
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One possibility could be that LML agreed to eat the costs if Genuine didn't drop the whole dime. After all, the odds lean heavily towards an LML screw up.

Just speculation, but since the actual issues haven't been identified, the door is wide open to speculation!

Besides, I'm waiting for the 2011 PX200ie - direct injected 2T with wet sump lube. Clown emoticon Clown emoticon
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I think the customers and dealers in-hand come first, but you make a good point. Collateral sales damage is indeed the manufacturer's problem to deal with later.

Think about it though....people went out and snapped up Toyotas aplenty after their PR debacle this past spring.

The public has a short memory...


Edit: there are people second guessing potential Vespa purchases for reported fuel pump issues.
Big differences:
1/ Toyota offered huge incentives to move their cars as their sales plummeted.
2/ With Vespa, we KNOW about the fuel pump issues. With the Stella 4T, we do NOT know what the issue is. There's transparency with the Vespa issue that is missing with the Stella.
It's clear we can agree to disagree;

1/Toyota didnt do anything incentive-wise any other car company wasnt doing...people still purchased a shload of Toyos despite reports of everything from alien abduction to unintended acceleration.

Recession 101, selling in tough times.

2/ it doesnt really matter what this Genuine issue is....there are no affected units chilling in people's garages. They are essentially still in the process of importing a product they dont even manufacture, and inasmuch they don't really have a 4t product in the marketplace, do they?

Speaking of "transperancy", whats that mean and to whom do they owe an explanation of the trials and tribulations pertaining to their importation process? They arent a government agency, nor does anyone have a 4T Stella they can't legally use. How has the general ( un-deposited, or non- dealer) public been harmed by their lack of detailed information?

There is no business reason whatsoever for them to feed detailed information to curious onlookers "just because" they want something to chew on....especially since the majority of us don't even have a financial interest in the product.
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[quote="gogogordy"] They arent a government agency, nor does anyone have a 4T Stella they can't legally use. [quote]

Actually according to the boards (MB and MV) there is at least one that was sold in California. Not sure how they did that but maybe some Stellas slipped thru. There are certainly a few PX150s running around California also.

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1/Toyota didnt do anything incentive-wise any other car company wasnt doing...people still purchased a shload of Toyos despite reports of everything from alien abduction to unintended acceleration.

Recession 101, selling in tough times.

2/ it doesnt really matter what this Genuine issue is....there are no affected units chilling in people's garages. They are essentially still in the process of importing a product they dont even manufacture, and inasmuch they don't really have a 4t product in the marketplace, do they?

Speaking of "transperancy", whats that mean and to whom do they owe an explanation of the trials and tribulations pertaining to their importation process? They arent a government agency, nor does anyone have a 4T Stella they can't legally use. How has the general ( un-deposited, or non- dealer) public been harmed by their lack of detailed information?

There is no business reason whatsoever for them to feed detailed information to curious onlookers "just because" they want something to chew on....especially since the majority of us don't even have a financial interest in the product.
1/ Toyota's sales went down the tubes once the (fair or not)safety issues emerged. The economy had already collapsed before this happened, but the bulk of their incentives emerged after the safety scare.

2/ Transparency means saying such and such was defective/didn't meet standards etc. Actually saying what that was instead of being vague. Why does this matter? Trust. How has the public been harmed? Trust. The very fact that we are scooter enthusiasts raises us beyond being just curious onlookers. The majority of people do not have a financial interest in ANY product but companies still want to seem trustworthy in order to gain them as customers later. Everyone is a potential customer.
Saying something is wrong - we're not going to tell you what's wrong - with this batch of scoots that many of you have had deposits down for, but the next batch are going to be A-ok . This does not build trust.

We live in the information age. Now nearly everyone googles a product that they are interested in. Say someone heard about the Stella 4T and so does a search on it. What will they find? How will that make them feel?
Let's be honest, the majority of people seeing a problem with a product, whether real/rumoured/whatever will be turned off and move on to something else.
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SDG, what have you heard?..
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SDG, what have you heard?..
Not a peep however I will do some digging on Tuesday. I did see an MP3 Hybrid yesterday though, its pretty cool.

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[quote="SDG"][quote="gogogordy"] They arent a government agency, nor does anyone have a 4T Stella they can't legally use.
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Actually according to the boards (MB and MV) there is at least one that was sold in California. Not sure how they did that but maybe some Stellas slipped thru. There are certainly a few PX150s running around California also.

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I know of several PX150s sold by a private party which, *ahem* may not have met ALL the regulations according to the Book of Hoyle, and just 1 4T Stella which...who knows what/why/how.

Personally Id be much more concerned about owning one of those PXs with questionable lineage and frankly that has kept me away from pursuing one of those.
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Actually according to the boards (MB and MV) there is at least one that was sold in California. Not sure how they did that but maybe some Stellas slipped thru. There are certainly a few PX150s running around California also.

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I know of several PX150s sold by a private party which, *ahem* may not have met ALL the regulations according to the Book of Hoyle, and just 1 4T Stella which...who knows what/why/how.

Personally Id be much more concerned about owning one of those PXs with questionable lineage and frankly that has kept me away from pursuing one of those.
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Personally Id be much more concerned about owning one of those PXs with questionable lineage and frankly that has kept me away from pursuing one of those.
What would you be concerned about?
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Personally Id be much more concerned about owning one of those PXs with questionable lineage and frankly that has kept me away from pursuing one of those.
What would you be concerned about?
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d03/vc8800.htm
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Personally Id be much more concerned about owning one of those PXs with questionable lineage and frankly that has kept me away from pursuing one of those.
What would you be concerned about?
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d03/vc8800.htm
As long as the bike has over 7500 miles on it, nothing to worry about.
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Actually according to the boards (MB and MV) there is at least one that was sold in California. Not sure how they did that but maybe some Stellas slipped thru.SDG
The Stellas that may have been sold in CA, or anywhere else, are probably from the pre-production run, which did receive EPA approval. Should be no issue there.

The Stellas barred entry were from a subsequent production run. Genuine said that these machines were not built to the exact specs of the pre-production run that had been submitted for approval. The variances found by the EPA between the "as approved vechicles" and the subsequently "as built in production" vehicles apparently were significant enough to make them non compliant with the original approval. Thus, they were denied entry.

Genuine, the importer, not the manufacturer, has made the above known, but has not identified what the unacceptable variances might be. Whatever they are, the most recent announcement is that Genuine has requested permission to return the non-complying scooters to the manufacturer, the manufacturer has scheduled a new production run for Genuine, and the product from this new production run will be sent to the US.

That's a summary of what Genuine has said about the issue, leaving a lot of information lacking, and thus fueling speculation. One thing, from my viewpoint, is relatively reasonable to assume. LML failed to manufacturer the rejected scooters to the specifications upon which the "approved prototypes" were built. Why and how this failure came about, is unknown. I doubt it will ever be known, as there is a clear reluctance on the part of Genuine or LML to discuss it publicly. Call that a "lack of transparency", "embarrassment", or whatever, it does leave the scooter enthusiast community guessing wildly.
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Personally Id be much more concerned about owning one of those PXs with questionable lineage and frankly that has kept me away from pursuing one of those.
What would you be concerned about?
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d03/vc8800.htm
As long as the bike has over 7500 miles on it, nothing to worry about.
Yup. Provided it legitimately does of course.....
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As long as the bike has over 7500 miles on it, nothing to worry about.
Yup. Provided it legitimately does of course.....
Just saying.
Obviously, this is a situation run by the "honor system". The DMV has the "honor" and anyone with a drill has "the system".

One of the difficulties of a law that tries to provide "grandfather" or reasonable consideration to personal property.
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Yeah, 4-strokes are boring. But it looks like pinasco is trying to make the LML 4-strokes a little less so:

http://pinasco.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=167&Itemid=195&lang=en
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Not sure Id bother after reading this part.
" Pinasco Symphony for LML 125-150 4T is the biggest novelty of 2010 in the tuning market for scooters. "
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Not sure Id bother after reading this part.
" Pinasco Symphony for LML 125-150 4T is the biggest novelty of 2010 in the tuning market for scooters. "
I think that's down to bad translation.

It doesn't seem to bad though, 1 more hp at 7000 rpm, broader power band, 1500 extra rpms of power and about 5 NM (3.5 foot-pounds or so) extra torque at 3400 rpm.

That almost makes me want this 4-stroke..
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JonnaV wrote:
snapshot05 wrote:
Not sure Id bother after reading this part.
" Pinasco Symphony for LML 125-150 4T is the biggest novelty of 2010 in the tuning market for scooters. "
I think that's down to bad translation.

It doesn't seem to bad though, 1 more hp at 7000 rpm, broader power band, 1500 extra rpms of power and about 5 NM (3.5 foot-pounds or so) extra torque at 3400 rpm.

That almost makes me want this 4-stroke..
hopefully it is, because it aint pretty. I didnt think that 4T pipe would have the same affect on power that a 2t does. But then Im not a total gear head either
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