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is the gauge easy to read? Speedo? Yes. Plan about 5mph over your desired speed when you are over 40. Gas? Yes, mine has been quite accurate,but I hear that's not always the case...

do you like the headlight on the handle bars? Yes, but I've never had them on the wheel cover. I like having them high so I can be seen more easily (I hope!)

does it scratch easily? They all do. Consider scratches and scrapes a sign of a life well lived.

how much stuff can you fit under the seat?: as in, say i go shopping, how many plastic shopping bags could fit if i had nothing else in there? Hmmm. I really stuff my plastic bags, so I'd say only one. If you put a top case on it, you can easily double to triple your carrying space. Add an elastic net to tie things onto the seat and it's almost limitless.....

do you reccommend a windscreen and a regular helmet, or a helmet with a visor (or both)? Yes and yes. I have a modular helmet and when I got my LX a few months ago, I immediately added the flyscreen. When I turned my head with my modular, the wind would really hit it. It would move the helmet just enough to move my glasses underneath. Not good! The flyscreen has really helped though my modular seems to be noisier, I prefer this arrangement. It is amazing how many fewer bugs I get on my helmet visor now, too.

I have found the LX a perfect fit for me. It's easy to handle, nimble, fast when I need it to be, easy to park, stylish, and a lot of fun! My 250BV is just a little too big for me. I always kind of felt like it could tip me over any time I was standing still. No such feeling on the LX!


P.S. i am converting this to electric, so how it runs doesnt really matter much to me! just wanted to let you know so you dont waste your time saying stuff i dont need to know! Interesting!!! How and why are you going to do this? I'm not mechanical, but I'd think you'd be concerned about the transmission and such. Can't wait to hear more!!
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Ok, I just read your other two posts. Asked and answered!
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is the gauge easy to read?
Very, even at night.

do you like the headlight on the handle bars?
Yes. Works quite well.

does it scratch easily?
About as easily as a car, but the scooter is more often in a situation or location where it'll get scratched. You'll get scratches over time. You can fix them or live with them.

how much stuff can you fit under the seat?: as in, say i go shopping, how many plastic shopping bags could fit if i had nothing else in there?
Depends on the size of the bag, but usually 2-3. . (It gets hot under the seat, so I never put fresh meat and such in there.) You can hang another 2-3 on the hook under the front seat. Add a rear and/or front rack, a top case or just some bungees and you can carry a lot.

I recently walked out of a grocery with 9 bags and a 12-pack, all of which fit on my scooter. I then watched a guy on a cruise motorcycle trying to balance 2 bags while riding because he had nowhere to put them. Scooter wins again!

do you reccommend a windscreen and a regular helmet, or a helmet with a visor (or both)?
Well, you'll get a lot of opinions on this. Personally, I say a windscreen and at least a helmet with a face shield but a full face helmet is better. Windscreens have a lot of advantages (better speed and acceleration, better MPGs), but some people don't like them because of how they redirect the flow of air and increase wind and noise. How this may affect you depends on the size of the windshield, your height and proportions, and your riding position. A windscreen will not protect you from many of the things that can come at you on the road. I have one and get bug splatter all over my helmet and occasionally a small rock to the face shield.

If you plan on riding through a cold winter somewhere, you'll definitely appreciate a windshield.
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P.S. i am converting this to electric, so how it runs doesnt really matter much to me! just wanted to let you know so you dont waste your time saying stuff i dont need to know!
That's cool. How are you doing this conversion?
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Oh, what are you going to do with the engine after you convert it? Just curious.
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that is actually a point i wanted to get to.
do you think anyone would be interrested in buying a working 150cc engine? if so, how much do you think i could get for it? tell me if you have answers, or if you might want it! thanks!
Yes, there'd be interest.

Value might vary considerably. Where do you live? A local buyer would probably be best. It would also depend on how many miles were on the engine, its condition, etc. A rough shot in the dark: $300-$450. I know of people who have bought GTS 250 engines for close to $500.

Someone here might want it. Not sure I would right now... but... maybe...
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I think the under-seat storage space issue is going to be a moot point for you.

Betting money is on every bit of available space inside the bodywork being needed for battery space to get any reasonable operating range.
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Just put a rear rack on and you can put stuff on the floorboards. Amazing what you can get on an LX when you have to. Good luck
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I am converting this to electric, so how it runs doesnt really matter much to me!
dancinonwater22 wrote:
Just wanted to tell you, battery space is barely an issue. i am using a new kind of battery that takes up barely any space at all. not like a car battery.
Unless you are about to work magic that has never been achieved anywhere else on Earth - battery space will be an issue for you, weight will be an issue for you, top speed will be an issue for you, and range between recharges will be an issue for you. Simply using new technology Li-ion or other compact batteries does not make all this go away. Of course, if you get all this successfully solved, good on you. We will all be looking for an update on how this goes.
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of course i know it's all an isue, but i have plans for everything! no worries!
Ahh, to be young again and so full of unjustified optimism... Razz emoticon
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haha its true, but i do have plans.
You are aware that the rear wheel and rear suspension is integrated with the engine/CVT, correct?

The construction is not like, for example, a chain driven motorcycle where you can simply swap out the source of hp and align the sprockets, etc.

Not saying it cannot be done, but there will be a tremendous amount of custom machining of parts to make something like this work.
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haha its true, but i do have plans.
You are aware that the rear wheel and rear suspension is integrated with the engine/CVT, correct?

The construction is not like, for example, a chain driven motorcycle where you can simply swap out the source of hp and align the sprockets, etc.

Not saying it cannot be done, but there will be a tremendous amount of custom machining of parts to make something like this work.
You could still use the CVT, just driven by the electric engine. IIRC the hybrid LX that Vespa build several years ago could be operated in all-electric mode and retained the CVT. The hybrid MP3 works something like this. They actually have 2 motors-a standard ICE and a complimentary electric powered one.

It can be done! I think an LX to electric conversion has been done before; I'll look for it.
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haha its true, but i do have plans.
You are aware that the rear wheel and rear suspension is integrated with the engine/CVT, correct?

The construction is not like, for example, a chain driven motorcycle where you can simply swap out the source of hp and align the sprockets, etc.

Not saying it cannot be done, but there will be a tremendous amount of custom machining of parts to make something like this work.
You could still use the CVT, just driven by the electric engine. IIRC the hybrid LX that Vespa build several years ago could be operated in all-electric mode and retained the CVT. The hybrid MP3 works something like this. They actually have 2 motors-a standard ICE and a complimentary electric powered one.

It can be done! I think an LX to electric conversion has been done before; I'll look for it.
For a straight electric vehicle (not hybrid), it would make little sense to retain the CVT as such (although retaining the housing and using a straight fixed-ratio belt drive might make sense just to simplify things). Electric traction motors develop maximum torque at zero rpms, so a variable-ratio transmission really isn't necessary, and a fixed-ratio drive would have much lower friction losses.
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dancinonwater22 wrote:
haha its true, but i do have plans.
You are aware that the rear wheel and rear suspension is integrated with the engine/CVT, correct?

The construction is not like, for example, a chain driven motorcycle where you can simply swap out the source of hp and align the sprockets, etc.

Not saying it cannot be done, but there will be a tremendous amount of custom machining of parts to make something like this work.
You could still use the CVT, just driven by the electric engine. IIRC the hybrid LX that Vespa build several years ago could be operated in all-electric mode and retained the CVT. The hybrid MP3 works something like this. They actually have 2 motors-a standard ICE and a complimentary electric powered one.

It can be done! I think an LX to electric conversion has been done before; I'll look for it.
For a straight electric vehicle (not hybrid), it would make little sense to retain the CVT as such (although retaining the housing and using a straight fixed-ratio belt drive might make sense just to simplify things). Electric traction motors develop maximum torque at zero rpms, so a variable-ratio transmission really isn't necessary, and a fixed-ratio drive would have much lower friction losses.
Agreed. From what I know, most straight electrics are direct drive or similar and deliver plenty of torque. There's probably a way to fix the variator and clutch, keep the belt, and away you go.

Conversion probably isn't the most efficient way to build a great electric scooter, but, on the other hand, electric LX, yay!
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ya well i think the project will be fun and will look great on a college application! and my dad know how to do and will help me!
I hope you plan on documenting the project. Going to blog it or anything like that? Would love to follow its progress!

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