Modern Vespa

bought this today

I like the Electraglide, but what's the silly thing hanging off the back of it?



Gonzo

it beats a topcase you can load up to 80kg in it

Looks like a great match for the MP3's style. 8) I have a feeling the load factor on the scoot will be about the same as my UniGo, adequate for most touring and camping requirments. When you have a chance I'd like to see your hitch set up, etc., so please post pics and keep us informed.

LL75

PS - How about posting the link to the Mfg's web site?

when i install the hitch, i will make some pic's but is a simpel hitch construction connected to the upper shockmounts

i have to make a apointment yet to pick it up

Do you have a brand name for us? Very cool looking trailer.

a dutch company is the manufactor

www.tourmaster.nl/


they also sell the france made Genco 150 or 260 its 2000,- more unpainted

here is a hitch pic mine will be closer to the back fender/mudguard

The hitch only has three points of mount? two upper shocks, and plate bracket?

yes and its RDW and TUF (german) a proofed

A two wheel trailer that leans keeping both wheels on the ground. Sounds like it was made for the MP3. Please keep us informed of the installation and the ride. I assume the same hitch for both the Fuoco and Piaggio models.

no they are a littlebit different the Fuoco / 500 type hookes on the licenses plate holder the 250/400 type will be a bit smaller and will have another centre bracket

Wow, I just converted 80 kg to lbs = 176.3!!! Man that's a whole bunch of weight on the back end of a scooter, are you certain about the amount?

In any case it's a good looking rig, kudos for finding it and sharing info.

LL75

That is cool. Are those tow rigs home made? or store bought?
What the heck do they hook up to?

I like the cool paint too.

RAD

Can't wait to see the pics of it on your bike and hear your thoughts on how it handles!

Mark

The tow rig picture is from the trailer web page.

It looks like the two wheels don't move independently like the fronts on an MP3, but rather the wheels are on a rigid axle while the body pivots (like the Automoto scooter):

the one i bought doesn't tilt the wheels /body, the Genco 150 ( Orange ) and 260 (Red one) does, but the 150 is EUR 2000,- more and the 260 is 2500 euro's more and to expansive for me

in Europe you only may drive 60km or 80km or 90km with this setup as a topspeed depending on the vehicle if it is a motorbike its 80km/h in most countries

because mine is a LT trike/car version i'm aloud to go 90km/u and i believe in France it will be 130km/h on the freeway

here it is tomorrow i will make a pic of the hitch

That trailer looks nice. I'm wondering how much the trailer weighs and how much additional weight does it add to the rear wheel.

its own weight is 30 to 40kg and it can hold up to 90kg

did some test driving today and you don't even notice that it's attached and it sits like a rock even with 95mph

I must have missed a previous thread. The front end of your bike is a Fuoco, (tires and bodywork), but the rear end is a Piaggio 125/250/400 bodywork.

its a FP9

Fuoco front end
it was when i bought it a 400 ie LT

and did change the 400 cylinder for a 460cc out of a X9 500

it got now aprox. 46 to 48 BHP and 71Nm Torque at 7225 RPM

The front end change is posted in August 2009 and in the Pimped section page 3 4 and 5 i think

ow yeah for the ones who noticed it put back the orginal airbox it was to loud for me the K&N

Hi Maksor,

I have two questions:

1) If I understand this correctly the trailer you bought does not tilt in any fashion, either by wheels or by the body, is that correct?

2) 90 kg is a lot of weight, almost 200 lbs and with the weight of the trailer itself at 30 - 40 kg or (66 - 88 lbs) there must be a huge amount of weight added to the back end of the scooter. Have you towed it loaded yet?

LL75

1 yes this one does not tilt the hook on the trailer can turn left and right and upside down so both wheels stay on the ground


2 yes i did have a test drive with a littlebit of load in the trailer a 20 kg you won't feel the trailer is behind it

if you load the trailer you have to put the heavy stuff near the axle thats all

here are more pics how the hitch works

A smaller trailer is the unitrailer which sells for about $2500 US, available in US, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and who knows. It only has one wheel and tilts with the bike..... anyway, it is smaller.

It is now called http://www.uni-go.com

because mine is registered as a trike your not allowed to tow a one wheel trailer in europe behind it and mine is 60cm or 2 feet wide

the inside

Came across this trailer called the Tow-Box,comes in 200 or 300 L size.Originally for motorcycles but now include many scooters.Doesnt appear to be worldwide,at least not yet anyway.The big wheel caught my eye.A bit of info translated into English from Scooter-Station:

"For the large travellers and certain companies of scooter taxis, the transport of luggage poses a real problem. The trunks of the scooters two or three wheels are badly arranged and not very bulky. As for the signal-boxes, even of big size, their capacity remains limited and sometimes they do not make it possible to take along momentary and luggage the one weekend time. Without forgetting the fact that from a dynamic point of view, their obstruction can also pose problem. Today Wipi Group brings a solution thanks to this trailer monoroue, the Tow-box. Created at the beginning for the motor bikes, the accessory is henceforth declined for the traditional users of scooters or MP3. Two models are available to the catalogue of the mark. Raptor first of all, which posts a capacity of 200 L, and for those which wish outward journey even further, luxurious Roadrunner, whose volume is carried to 300 L. Here are which should be enough! Note that these trailers bagagères monoroues do not require any modification of the structure of the vehicle. They will be presented to next Salon of the Motor bike and the Scooter of Villepinte, the 24,25 and September 26 next"

I've been on about this before, so won't go into too much here in this topic - but if you want to use a trailer for transporting more than just a sleeping bag and a few bits, for goodness sake get a two-wheeled trailer that's good for 150kg carrying weight while only giving a few pounds tow-hitch weight.

Good grief Jim, even in my wildest dreams would I ever need to drag along 330 lbs of stuff, regardless of trailer size or number of wheels. (150KG = 330LB) Where do you come up with these figures? I loaded all my normal camping gear in the UniGo and although it's only 3/4th full I have everything I'd need for extended camping. Maybe I should unload the stuff and post a photo of it?

I documented the handling in my Red Dog Scooter blog and FYI the only thing I noticed was a very slight front end wobble - not continuous, just occasionally. It turned out to be due to low pressure in the rear tire and it went away after I pumped it up to the recommended level. The trailer tracks fine and the MP3 handles like it wasn't there; I ride at speeds in the mid 60's when towing, same as when I'm towing behind a truck or RV.

Your many comments regarding weight on the tow-hitch might enter the picture if one overloaded a UniGo to 330LBS but certainly not for ordinary loads. I stopped at our local truck scale the other day and the MP3 500 with me on board and the UniGo fully loaded with camping gear registered 900LBS. I wasn't carrying any food as I normally buy groceries as I travel along. The top box was empty which is where I'd carry my extra clothing but that wouldn't weigh much. I'm fully confident the additonal weight for either of these items would amount to anything substantial.

Seriously Jim, I hate to challenge your expertise as you've forgotten more about scooters than I'll ever know but I seem to recall you've never towed a one-wheel trailer with an MP3 500, correct? That might make a difference if you were to take a test ride. Or perhaps not...

LL75

Hi Maksor,
Please forgive the intrusion, I'm not trying to hijack your thread, just wanted to post some pics of how much stuff I've packed in my UniGo.

Hi Jim,

I unloaded the trailer and set up "camp" today so I could take photos of what's in it. This is what I can easily carry in the way of camping gear and as you can see it's much more than "a sleeping bag and a few bits". My extra clothes would fit into the trailer too, I just didn't have anything packed. It would be a simple matter to add food stuff either to the top box or trailer.

So tell me, how much more would you feel necessary to take along?

LL75

Thanks for the pictorial, Larry!

150kg is very easy to achieve with garden rubbish etc - my trailers are the only means of moving large or heavy objects as I have no car. They're not just for camping!

Larry no problem

in Europe we got differents laws and in all countries a scooter and a trike aren't aloud to pull one wheeled trailers, the company where i bought it sells a one wheel version, it can load up to 100kg



But your only aloud to pull it with a two wheeled vehicle

and i will load it with :

a tent 5kg
a cooking gasbottle 10l 8kg
a 3 pans stainless steel cooker 10kg that doubles as a BBQ
pots and pans plates 5kg
Clothes in a army bag 15 to 20kg
a little table 2kg
a folding chair 1 or 2kg

and the other stuff you need

This load was at least 120kg, tongue weight about 5kg:

"if you want to use a trailer for transporting more than just a sleeping bag and a few bits"

Darn it Jim, this is the statement you've been making all along that's neither relevant nor accurate. Given my recent pictorial posting I expected you might at last relent from your assertions regarding the UniGo's weight carrying limitations. For some reason that seems to be an admission you find difficult to deal with and I'm uncertain why that is.

Several months ago when I started the UniGo thread it was not being considered as a means of hauling huge loads of trash, it was only being viewed as a touring or camping trailer, nothing more. That's what it's designed and marketed for with the focus being on it's supurb handling characteristics.

Your new posting showing your blue utility trailer full of trash deviates from that purpose radically. I too have more than one trailer including a utility model for hauling refuse, etc. but this was not the point of our discussion. I doubt either one would fare well through the twisties...

Am I missing something here?

LL75

Edit: Sat Sept 4th - Ah hell Jim, It doesn't matter, trailer stuff is pretty minor when you think about it, we're on the same page for the most part. Thanks for your continuing input.