Modern Vespa

That's because it's a kick ass thread man!

this thread should be marked as VERY IMPORTANT!
i read it twice and learned a lot.
nice job fabio.seams to me that oil is running trough your veins,not blood. what do you do for a living?(don't tell me that you are an painter )

Hi DRP

No I'm not a painter - I'm a Finance Director - I guess you can see now why i do things inexpensively...hehe

Fabio

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Phew...I need a finance director with my 3 kids!!!!

fabio,

Although not feasible (unless your a genius of sorts) you could technically add a body shell to your scoot much like the Velomobile bikes have.This mod would increase your aerodynamics greatly and increase your gas mileage a bunch.

Imagine going another 10 mph faster and doubling your gas mileage with reduced air resistance.

http://www.velomobiel.nl/allert/Recumbent%20motorbike.htm

Ok I'm dreaming for you,he he

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Wow!!!

Fuel consumption... streamlined Innova: 221mpg

Fabio

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I've just had a quick re-look at this thread to point a MV member in the right direction and I can't quite believe its had over 12000 hits !!!!

Fabio

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I want this thread on the kindle...love it!

What better way to take up a morning with everyone in my house sick.
Have another read of this thread.

I started reading this thread years ago! It only had a few pages, I missed so much. Just caught up though and man what a great read and masses of information for ET2 riders who want to get more out of the machine.

Looks like you sold the ET2 though, did you make a thread about selling it or anything. What was the final speed?

Yeah Fabs, we didnt get the final speed did we?

Hi Beans + Marky

59 was the final speed that i could get out of it without a whole load of further expense.....my challenge was to get it going as a fast as i could without spending too much money "how fast for little cash"... so i stopped there as the returns per £ would be perhaps starting to diminish.

Here's the final speed/spend....

29mph...£260.....ET2 1997 Scooter (non runner - it had been sat for about 8-9 years in someone's garage unused)
37mph................Removed variator washer
39mph...£030.....Malossi 70cc kit (Second-hand Malossi Iron kit)
42mph...£015.....Giannelli Frankenstein exhaust (a damaged Giannelli exhaust that I "rebuilt")
43mph...£018.....Dellorto 17.5 PHVA (needed vacuum pipe connection mod)
55mph................New drive belt/refurbed pulleys
57mph...£010.....Lighter Rollers,bigger Main jet (here is the real trial and error stage!)
57mph...£005.....Stiffer Clutch Springs
59mph...£011.....Flyscreen (designed and built it myself to keep costs down)
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???mph...£349....(Amount spent on "performance" related items £89)


The interesting thing is that I sold the scoot and all of the parts that i had left over (original exhaust, carb, piston/cylinder) and realised £580!!!

Yay!!!

Fabio

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Hell of a good profit and a great time working on it I bet. You did a fantastic job, both with the bike and the informative thread.

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I'm still staggered each time I look at the thread...I can't believe its had almost 16,000 hits

Fabio

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You sold it.....so what's next?

- 50cc scoot land speed record
- 50cc speedboat

a 50cc mpg challenge? How far on how little fuel.... Hehe

That sounds great! I'd imagine things like weight reduction and aero drag reduction would be the first steps to super-high fuel efficiency. What else would you do?

I remember those efficiency challenges that used to be on TV where university students used to build a machine to see how far they could go on a gallon of fuel.......

http://www.theengineer.co.uk/video/challenge-vehicle-could-travel-3300-miles-on-gallon-of-fuel/1012493.article

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Was you ever on it Fabs??

I only read the first page of the thread, I saw many replies that I felt were negative, or silly.
I used to race the 50cc puch moped as a kid
I had one that would do 75 mph built by a friend

I built several, mine did 65mph, and pulled 30mph instantly.
I once rode on a highway (35mph zone) and passed cars doing 50mph, I was doing high 60's they gave me funny looks

fab, I think you'll regret selling the bike down the line

this is my first post, what a thread to do it on, very informative. thanks.
jonny.w that made me lol!!!!

Umm, one of my current projects is a 35 year old Puch Maxi. Not, I suspect, a racing machine, but quite unusual, I think. It's a "Custom GL" model which comes with leg shields, handlebar "cowl" and screen, panniers and special rear indicator carrier. All these parts look as though they could have been factory fitted...

It's in surprisingly good condition, though the 2 speed engine is going to need some tlc to get it working again - first stop the ignition and carburetor.

Anyway, I was interested in your comments on how fast these could be got to go. I'm not too interested in playing with the traffic with a 30 MPH top speed!

Bob

Yes... that's how I felt too.....

Mind you, "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger"...and more determined !!

Fabio

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Fabby no scoots--- please tell??


Where have you been me old fruit cupcake?

NO SCOOTS????

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Hi Marky and Geeza (Two of the nicest guys here on MV !!)

Yes they've all gone I'm afraid....

The ET2 went a while ago as you know...I bought a GT125, a PK125, and a Lambretta Cento.

The PK125... I spent a year on a "Nut and Bolt" restore but struggled for months to cure an air leak problem, when I finally did I was so fed up with the scoot that even though it was running perfectly now I'd just had enough!!

So I sold that one and the Cento that I'd bought back from the grave both in the same week. The Cento sounded amazing running but it was tricky to get some parts for it due to supply problems, again it sat around for months and I got it running eventually and sold it on.

The GT125 went just this week, I wasn't using it because I invested the money in two new PTWs, a 1985 Honda Superdream and a 1988 Kawasaki GPZ500, both of which I bought spares and repairs, both of which I manage to get running and running well within a month of owning, both now having full MOT's. They are so much easier to work on with not having the bodywork to navigate, and the spares are easier to locate, they're much less expensive to purchase and fix up, and they're much more reliable.

I'm still looking for a cheap scooter for my son who's 16 soon this year though.

Fabio

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Cheers Fabs, its good to see you back, I missed you on here! Having a problem with mine at the minute, just fixed the speedo as that broke, and now I have a problem with my indicators. I have the MOT on Wednesday so need to get it sorted but spent a hour on it yesterday and cant seem to find out whats wrong.

Basically I was turning left into my road and the indicator signal light started flashing really fast as if one of the bulbs had gone. I got home, took the rear left indicator off as that was the one that was not working, put the new bulb in and it was still not working. The front one obviously was going at 100 miles an hour but the back one not at all. As I mover the white bulb holder it started flashing at normal speed. So I screwed it all back together, and it stopped again. I preumed it was one ofthe wires/conmnectors, so gave them a clean put them back together and it seemed ok. On the way to work it stopped again. so for 5 miles I never used my right signal, as I got to work, the right was ok but the left was doing it??? Anyway, 10 hours later on way home, they all worked fine until I turned into the road!! AAARRGGHH

anyway...


I had another baby whilst you have been off too!! so thats four in my gaff at the minute

I have missed ya man, get another Vespa and dont forget about us!

Nice to have you back Fabio, and glad to hear your considerable 2 wheeler expertise is not going to die away! Whoever bought your scoots will be onto a good thing knowing how you've looked after them/ resurrected them.

Ride safely and check by once in a while!

Geeza

what a fantastic thread!


i have a 250 but now i wanna go out and buy a project 2t.....


infectious enthusiasm



love it!

Sparky - this sounds like a bad earth - check all of the leads to where they ground and look for any rust that might be interfering with the connection

Fabio

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Hi Geeza

Yes - I'll be popping onto the forum from time to time - I'm looking for a cheap Peugeot Speedfight/Yamaha Aerox or similar for my lad - the best advice you can get for modern scooters of any make (mechanically speaking) is here on MV........ if this makes any sense whatsoever.....what I mean is the basic skills that you need for most jobs are explained very well here on MV......and these apply well to most scooters/bikes.

Fabio

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Hi PB

The beauty of having a carbed 2T project (partic. if its a low cost one) is that you learn some mechanical skills at the very basic level - there's no coolant to worry about, no over complicated ECU, no injectors, no valves, nothing really apart from the engine itself to concern yourself with.

Also, you can acquire the parts very inexpensively, and if you pick the right parts you can make big differences in the dynamics of the scoot and its performance can go from "flacid" to "sprinty" virtually overnight.

Fabio

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Wooo-hooo - nearly 20,000 views !!!

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19000 are mine Fabs!!

Damn.... and I thought that I was almost famous !!!! Hehe

Fabio

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You are famous Bro....on here!!

A great read. I did my et2 up with a DR EVO 70 kit after reading this and couldn't be happier.
The thing just rips up steep Seattle hills. Its just like the stock power band with more everywhere, so no clutching is needed.

As for more top speed I decided that it would be cheaper and easer to just change the secondary gears to a 16/47 combination. 28% increase. The gears are like $70.

Chamfer the ports, particularly the exhaust port. Increase your oiling and increase your jetting.

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I've just bought a 50cc Gilera Ice that needs a bit of TLC, and then I'm going to get it performing better with some of the tricks I used on the ET2 - I think at first look that its basically the same engine but in a frame that's so much lighter



Vespa ET2 - 90kg

Gilera Ice - 60-70Kg maybe? - Not sure exactly but it feels about half of the weight of the ET2 to my imagination!



Its very similar to the one in the picture below.......

Fabio



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That looks chav-tastic Fabs, have fun with it!

Geeza

Hi Geeza.

I think I might do this sort of thing with it............



Fabio

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