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Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:07 pm linkquote
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After giving up on my engine due to a very very stuck oil drain plug,
Heat, wrench & mallet.

I know where there is a tap for that hole.....

R
All of the above has been tried and tried again. At this point I will have to drill and cut and dremel to get it out. Then I'll use that tap to clean the threads. Not a lost cause, just not effort that needs to be done right now.
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Yes that is a big leather bag on the rear rack of my lambretta. It's very well secured to the rack and I can also mount a spare under it. The bag is very convent while traveling.

I use to have a fake louis vuitton bag on there that looked great. But people would think it was just sitting there and try and run off with it. In the end someone got so pissed of they couldn't take it they slashed it.

The brown leather does not draw the same attention and is actually nicer.

Oh, and I was feeling so good this morning that I skipped the oatmeal and went for the full english breakfast.
Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:46 pm

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Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:46 pm linkquote
Re: Munch
Bill Dog wrote:
I'm also going to be bringing my ego which may cause a few problems.
Does anyone do a modification for that ?

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Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:55 pm linkquote
Bill is my plugged-into-the-world reality check - don't do that to him please!
Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:05 pm

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Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:05 pm linkquote
With the weight reduction Bill could get another 20 miles out of the tank.
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Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:07 pm linkquote
True. We know where a bloke's brains reside, and we know the weight of a brain...

Now's the time to state how far your competitive spirit will go Bill.
Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:14 pm

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Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:14 pm linkquote
Cross country in 8 days. I'm not sure about the size of brains we are talking about here. I will say the balls are going to be larger than the brain. I have no answer for Georgia Girl. And from speaking with her today, Karen sounds ready to throw her helmet into the fray.
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Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:48 pm linkquote
Re: Munch
14perry wrote:
Bill Dog wrote:
I'm also going to be bringing my ego which may cause a few problems.
Does anyone do a modification for that ?

Bill X
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I think there is only one way to deal with an oversized ego.

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Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:50 pm linkquote
oopsclunkthud,

What do you consider a full english breakfast? When I visited "Old Blighty" a few years ago, we usually stayed at B & Bs and they always tried to feed us
"Bangers" for breakfast. Talk about a sorry excuse for breakfast! They were about the poorest excuse for breakfast sausages that I've ever seen. About in a class with warm beer.
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Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:58 pm linkquote
Had Fish & Irish Chips @ Hooley's today while at Mods v Rockers. Learned about Scottish Eggs. I will be planning a ride for them. Sounds very healthy!
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Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:15 pm linkquote
Okay, so getting back to the CB project part of this thread.

Found a tail / trunk bag today that I think will work nicely. It's kind of a hard-molded textile, very rigid form, and fairly lightweight. I was hoping for some auxiliary pockets to keep various sundries in, which this bag completely lacks. On the positive side, it fits the height of my aux tank perfectly, and turns the brick shape into something fairly aerodynamic. I'm pretty happy about that.









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sundries are overrated anyway. good looking bag.
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Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:35 pm linkquote
Very nice and looks like it leaves room for rain gear or other items. Also the cloth flip up cover could be made to hold cash/cards...

One thing I did in '08 was to construct a holder for my credit cards where I could get at them with my gloves on. I could also refuel sitting on the bike (and had to after the stand broke). Made the refuel process very fast.

Refilling the lambretta is very slow, with measuring the oil, smaller tank and separate can. I'm also still fighting horrible fuel economy but think part of it is down to a bad float needle. Lot's of work to do in this area.
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Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:43 pm linkquote
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That looks great, Rick!
+1 (sigh) another vicarious adventure for yours truly. Looking forward to following the action
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Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:49 pm linkquote
Bag looks nice, Jess. Nelson Rigg? So the aux tank gravity feeds into the system through a T in the fuel line? Where do you have the shut off valve? Are there any issues with the height above the evap & roll over device?
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Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:29 pm linkquote
Brothers in Arms
Jim I've been so humbled by the amount of help from VSO, Scutrbrau and my sponsors I feel that it will be more of a quick but "contained" ride.
I'll go as long and as far as I can (eventhough I can't win) but I'm not going to do anything silly just so I can get my name up the board.
I just want to finish in a reasonable position and enjoy the ride and people.
It would be dumb of me to forget who actually got me this far by trying to prove something.

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So the aux tank gravity feeds into the system through a T in the fuel line? Where do you have the shut off valve? Are there any issues with the height above the evap & roll over device?
The aux tank gravity-feeds directly into the main tank via a fitting inserted through the wall of the main tank. The stock vent on the filler neck of the main tank runs up to the vent on the aux tank, and from there vents down to wherever you want it to go. The stock evap system is long gone, and I will have a rollover valve in the top of the aux tank.

Shutoff valves are stupid. For some odd reason, people seem to love them despite the fact that they serve no purpose. I think there's an overwhelming desire to "see the gas gauge go up" when they open the shutoff valve, but this does not sway me. I'd rather see my gas gauge stay on F for 150 miles before it starts going down.
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Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:13 pm linkquote
So you just fill it thru the aux, leaving the stock gas cap sealed. No issues with the fill time to the stock tank through the small diameter fuel hose?
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:36 am linkquote
I love your inventiveness - oh and I'm still very jealous of your workshop. Makes me want to move back to the countryside where the roads are lovely and the gargages big.
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:23 am linkquote
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So you just fill it thru the aux, leaving the stock gas cap sealed. No issues with the fill time to the stock tank through the small diameter fuel hose?
That depends on the size of the tubing. With 1/4" tube, the fill is very slow. Fast enough to keep up with the consumption rate at WOT, but slow enough that you can actually open the cap on the main tank and watch the fuel rise slowly. It doesn't gush, not even a little.

So the procedure with 1/4" tube is this:
- If the aux tank has gas in it, the main tank must be full, so just fill the aux.
- If the aux tank is empty, fill the main tank first, then fill the aux tank.
- If you don't need the absolute full complement of gas and you're in a hurry (like near the finish line on a CB day) then just put some gas in the aux tank. It will eventually make it down to your main tank while you ride, assuming everything is properly vented.

With larger tube sizes, you could conceivably fill only the aux tank and (again assuming proper venting) have it fill the main tank. But the exact size needed for reasonable fill times is at this point unknown. I've been toying with using AN-6 fittings (which use a larger tube size -- 3/8", I think) but that might only get me to the point where the fuel does rise fast with the main tank cap off, but still not fast enough to fill solely from the aux tank. AN-8 fittings will almost surely work for fast fill times, but those are fairly large and bulky.
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:26 am linkquote
Protip: If you make your connecting vent line (the one from the top of the main tank to the top of the aux tank) out of clear tubing, you get an aux tank gas gauge for free. This is because when the aux tank is full, gas will drain down into the main tank and then rise up through the connecting vent tube to match the level of fuel in the aux tank.
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:45 am linkquote
Just a few projects today:

1.) Remove top case so I'm ready to install the Tour Tank once I get the "a-okay, come over now" from the garage I'm working with.

2.) It's reflective tape day. I have about 30 yards of white reflective tape, so I should be fairly easy to spot in the dark.

3.) Stebel nautilus compact - I'm told it won't fit.....we'll just see about that.

4.) I almost forgot - 3M vinyl paint protection sheets to the cowls so the saddlebags don't damage the paint.

For you seasoned SCR riders, I have a question that only just came to mind this morning: rear crash bars on or off? It seems like every time I have maintenance done, the rear crash bars are removed. Since I'm anticipating some side of the road and parking lot wrenching, would the rear bars be a hinderance?

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Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:49 am linkquote
Jess, what are the requirements for being "legal" to have an active aux tank?

Is there a specific rating?

Are you "hiding" it in the top case for that reason?

I know I would, less the coppers can see, the better.
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:51 am linkquote
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Just a few projects today:

1.) Remove top case so I'm ready to install the Tour Tank once I get the "a-okay, come over now" from the garage I'm working with.

2.) It's reflective tape day. I have about 30 yards of white reflective tape, so I should be fairly easy to spot in the dark.

3.) Stebel nautilus compact - I'm told it won't fit.....we'll just see about that.

For you seasoned SCR riders, I have a question that only just came to mind this morning: rear crash bars on or off? It seems like every time I have maintenance done, the rear crash bars are removed. Since I'm anticipating some side of the road and parking lot wrenching, would the rear bars be a hinderance?
I'd suggest leaving the crash bars at home. It's just another level of PITA to have to remove and reinstall them anytime you do rear end repairs.

If the Stebel won't fit in one piece you can separate the compressor from the horn and join the two pieces together with a length of tubing. You need a vacuum connector to insert into the hole in the horn (5/16" if I remember correctly). I did that with mine and it made it very easy to find a spot where it would all fit.
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:03 am linkquote
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I'd suggest leaving the crash bars at home. It's just another level of PITA to have to remove and reinstall them anytime you do rear end repairs.

If the Stebel won't fit in one piece you can separate the compressor from the horn and join the two pieces together with a length of tubing. You need a vacuum connector to insert into the hole in the horn (5/16" if I remember correctly). I did that with mine and it made it very easy to find a spot where it would all fit.
Yeah, thinking of leaving them home.

Did you install the Stebel compact? Did you, perchance, write a project report?
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:08 am linkquote
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Jess, what are the requirements for being "legal" to have an active aux tank?
Dunno. But lots of endurance motorcyclists use them, and they generally don't make any attempt to hide them, so it's probably a non-issue. And we've had plenty of past Cannonballs where aux tanks were mounted completely visibly, and no problems (that I'm aware of) for them either.

I'd rather play it safe, of course. And I also wanted to streamline the brick shape. I could have hidden it in a topcase, but that adds an unnecessary amount of weight.
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Scutrbrau wrote:
I'd suggest leaving the crash bars at home. It's just another level of PITA to have to remove and reinstall them anytime you do rear end repairs.
Yeah, thinking of leaving them home.
Definitely leave them at home. You will curse and swear every time you have to take those damn things off by the side of the road.

On the down side, if you crash, your bike will get pretty much trashed.
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:41 am linkquote
Halo
Jess does all that fuel being so high up affect the handling at all ?

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Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:48 am linkquote
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Scutrbrau wrote:
I'd suggest leaving the crash bars at home. It's just another level of PITA to have to remove and reinstall them anytime you do rear end repairs.

If the Stebel won't fit in one piece you can separate the compressor from the horn and join the two pieces together with a length of tubing. You need a vacuum connector to insert into the hole in the horn (5/16" if I remember correctly). I did that with mine and it made it very easy to find a spot where it would all fit.
Yeah, thinking of leaving them home.

Did you install the Stebel compact? Did you, perchance, write a project report?
The Stebel I used is a tad larger than the compact, though not by much. I didn't write a report since everything I did has already been documented by others. I'm pretty certain there's a report that shows a Stebel that's been separated in two pieces. There are plenty of people who've managed to wedge the whole thing inside in one piece but I didn't see how so I took the more involved route.

Vacuum connectors can be found at any car parts store (sorry for the crappy photo). I brought my horn in with me to make sure I got the right size. The compressor has a tube that inserts into the horn, so when you separate them you need to insert the vacuum connector into that hole. You attach press one end of the tubing (5/16" inner diameter) onto the vacuum connector and the other end to the tube on the compressor. It's easy peasy. I think it's taking me longer to type this than it did to fit the parts together.

The only tricky part is in prying apart the compressor and horn. There's a plastic tab that locks them together. You have to use a screwdriver or other implement to lift that tab enough to separate them. While it's not difficult to do, it feels like it wouldn't take much to snap off that plastic tab.


5/16" vacuum connector

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Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:05 am linkquote
Re: Halo
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Jess does all that fuel being so high up affect the handling at all ?
A little. Not much. It's significantly less than a passenger, maybe 30 pounds total. I've ridden with a four gallon tank (this one is three) and it was quite manageable.

The key is to put anti-slosh foam in the tank. And you have to adjust your lean angle as you deplete the gas over the course of a few hours.
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:12 am linkquote
Re: Halo
jess wrote:
The key is to put anti-slosh foam in the tank.
is that added @ each fill up?
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:14 am linkquote
Can
We are going for the low - tech ( can't be arsed) strap it on the floor and hope for the best approach.
I doubt we'll save any real time but it will mean that we only have to fill up once a day which will be nice.

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Stebel photos added here: Can one separate a stebel nautilus?
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Re: Halo
Brodyfrompa wrote:
jess wrote:
The key is to put anti-slosh foam in the tank.
is that added @ each fill up?
Nope, just fills the tank and takes up very little space. Many fuel cells ship with it installed already.

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Re: Can
Bill Dog wrote:
We are going for the low - tech ( can't be arsed) strap it on the floor and hope for the best approach.
I doubt we'll save any real time but it will mean that we only have to fill up once a day which will be nice.

Bill X
I have to choose between putting the can on my front rack or floorboard. On the front means more wind resistance but happier feet. We'll see. I'll do a bunch of riding with it in both places to see what I like most.

I also need to experiment with lashing different things to the rack on my topcase. I don't want to stress it too badly since it's not exactly designed to be carrying weight on it but now that it's on there I want to make full use of it.
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:38 am linkquote
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Jess, what are the requirements for being "legal" to have an active aux tank?

Is there a specific rating?

Are you "hiding" it in the top case for that reason?

I know I would, less the coppers can see, the better.
I crossed the border three times in 2010 with a bike that looked like an actual moving weapon and was mostly illegal for the roads I was on. I got hassled coming into Idaho not for my tank and questionable ride, but for the fact that my tank had a sticker on it that said "Rehab is for Quitters". No joke.

Normally they don't care as long as you aren't already causing problems.
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:50 am linkquote
In California at least, an aftermarket auxiliary tank should be CARB approved. Not sure what is required for what years. My SYM only had a rollover valve, while the same year vespa had rollover and evap. While the evap has been problematic on the vespa (though fine on the MP3) the rollover is really good to keep around.
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Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:27 pm linkquote
Anti slosh foam in a tank could be critical. Some foams will disolve in gasoline. Best be very sure you have the right kind.
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Anti slosh foam in a tank could be critical. Some foams will disolve in gasoline. Best be very sure you have the right kind.
As a general rule, foam blocks sold as anti-slosh foam (and from reputable sellers) don't dissolve in gasoline.
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2010 GTS 300 Super
Joined: 25 Jul 2010
Posts: 2449
Location: Austin, Texas
Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:50 pm linkquote
I got a few thinks checked off my project list today. I removed the crash bars and the top case. I switched back to the 200 seat as I like how far back I can slide on the bench-like seat. Since I switched the seat from grey to black, I felt the need to switch out the knee pad covers and the grips back to stock so it would all match. I guess that's the OCD in me coming out. I installed the tunnel bag and will probably follow Jess's instructions on a more permanent solution. Those straps are in the way. I thoroughly washed the scoot and then covered that sucker in reflective tape. During the daylight, it is barely noticeable Before I got to the horn, the weather turned to a lovely 65 degrees So, 87 miles later, I'm home, and thoroughly happy to have had the opportunity to ride today. Not at all ashamed that I didn't get me work done, the horn will wait until another day, perhaps tomorrow.

P.S. I forgot how much better I like the scoot with the top case removed. No rattle, no wobble, even at 75 8)
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