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I'm taking my BRC in April and instead of using the bikes that are supplied, I was thinking of using my scooter.

By using my scooter, I give up the opportunity to learn/work a traditional MC clutch, shifter and foot brake. Given that I will not be riding a traditional MC anytime in the foreseeable future, I think that any skill development would be lost without practice.

Also - Do I need to get a waiver in Ohio to use my scooter for this class? Anyone with experience on this would be extemely helpful.
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Re: Upcoming Rider Course in Ohio
CrazyCarl wrote:
I'm taking my BRC in April and instead of using the bikes that are supplied, I was thinking of using my scooter.

By using my scooter, I give up the opportunity to learn/work a traditional MC clutch, shifter and foot brake. Given that I will not be riding a traditional MC anytime in the foreseeable future, I think that any skill development would be lost without practice.

Also - Do I need to get a waiver in Ohio to use my scooter for this class? Anyone with experience on this would be extemely helpful.
have you contacted them and expressed your desires to use your scooter?

Taken directly from the website :

Permission to use a personally-owned motorcycle or scooter may be granted by the training site coordinator for Motorcycle Ohio under certain circumstances. Students who wish to use their own motorcycle must submit the following to the training site:

* Letter requesting permission stating reason for using your two-wheeled motorcycle/scooter in the MO class (example: modification for handicap use).
* State the motorcycle/scooter engine size (no more than 500cc and a minimum of 100cc).
* Name of insurance company that has the motorcycle/scooter insured.


On the day of range activities, after site approval has been given, the student must show proof of insurance to the instructor and have the motorcycle/scooter safety checked for roadworthiness.

Please note that three-wheeled motorcycles or scooters are not allowed in Motorcycle Ohio courses.
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OAD - Thanks. Not sure how I missed that.
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Re: Upcoming Rider Course in Ohio
CrazyCarl wrote:
Also - Do I need to get a waiver in Ohio to use my scooter for this class? Anyone with experience on this would be extemely helpful.
I used my scooter, without issues. I called the site Coordinator and had a discussion with him prior to class to determine what was required.

The first class, he had a ready made form, which needed to be filled in (information taken from my insurance card and registration); I did not need to submit a letter. I also had the title, along, just in case.

On the first day, in the field, I had to have my current insurance card (which includes VIN) and registration, again, for the skills instructors to confirm, as well as check for road worthiness.

Good luck!
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Re: Upcoming Rider Course in Ohio
CrazyCarl wrote:
By using my scooter, I give up the opportunity to learn/work a traditional MC clutch, shifter and foot brake. Given that I will not be riding a traditional MC anytime in the foreseeable future, I think that any skill development would be lost without practice.
I'll agree with you on this one. I took my first MSF course 12 years ago, before anyone even considered letting a scooter into a class. I still remember how to do the shifting. But seeing as how it was over a decade ago, and I have yet to actually do shifting on anything other than the bike I took that first course on, I don't actually have a feel for doing it correctly anymore. I'm lucky if I can do anything with a Stella outside of neutral.

I do remember, vividly, how stupid I thought it was to do all the eye-hand-foot coordination at the time. An automatic scooter was the only thing I'd ever taken out on the road at that point. Twist-n-go... why bother with anything else? Of course now I think it would be great to ride, say, an old P200 if I had the chance. I think if I ever get anything like that I'll end up paying a friend/local scooter guru to help me learn it properly.
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Re: Upcoming Rider Course in Ohio
Please note that three-wheeled motorcycles or scooters are not allowed in Motorcycle Ohio courses.[/quote]

I took the class on my MP3. Showed up for class, told them I wanted to use the scooter but had forgotten to send the letter to get permission. The instructors called their supervisor, he said go for it.
I think they just wanted to see how it would do. It was a PITA on the slow speed stuff but did great on everything else. After the figure 8 in the box they told me that if a front wheel had gone over a line they wouldn't have counted it against me because of the width of the front track.
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