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In case anyone here is interested. Tested in San Francisco:

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/22/12398/Motorcycle-Article/2012-Vectrix-VX-2-Electric-Scooter-Review.aspx


2012 Vectrix VX-2 Electric Scooter Review
Gabe Ets-HokinContributing Editor



Seven years of cab driving trained me to constantly scan the big fuel-price signs above every gas station, even if I don't need any gas. But during a recent day of riding, I realized I didn't need to make a note of the cheapest gas location, or if you needed to purchase a car wash or pay cash to get the lower price.

And it felt pretty good.

[snip]

See: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/22/12398/Motorcycle-Article/2012-Vectrix-VX-2-Electric-Scooter-Review.aspx
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See, I just don't get it.

Cost $1200 more than a LX50, $2200 more than a Honda Metro...

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They're also a lot less expensive than nickel-cadmium or lithium-based batteries - a good thing, as they won't last as long, either, about 300 charge-discharge cycles, according to the spec sheet. But that's okay - replacements are about $300 from your local Vectrix dealer. That means in addition to the approximately $.01-.20 it'll cost to charge the Vectrix, factor in about a dollar per charge so you can buy a new battery when the time comes.
$.01 to $.10 is bunk in SF, because the electric tariff is $.30 to $.33 cents above the monthly baseline, and you will blow that quick at 2.9kW per charge, assuming a 100% efficient charger. ~4kW if you use 75% realistic efficiency number.

So $1.20 to $1.42 depending on the Tarriff, plus a dollar every time you plug it in, to go ~50 miles.

That means $4.40 to $4.84 to go the distance of a Vespa on one gallon, and a little more to go the distance on a Honda Metro, about %15 more.

Oh, and it weighs more than the GTS300... 420lbs!
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I like it and had a good time hanging out in the Vectrix booth at Dealer Expo. They seem to have a pretty good thing going on with city agencies around the world - police and traffic enforcement, so you never know. As it is, the VX-2 might well fit my daily commute, and I'd be interested in trying it out and reporting my experiences. Maybe that will happen... maybe very soon 8)
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Since it's made China, you can find a plethora of chinese electrics for a fraction of the price. So why pay that much for it. I'll stick with my Met, atleast I can go 4 times as far on a fill up. For that money, I'd take a nice used GTS or BV any day.
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Um...what makes the hub so hot you can't touch it (if I'm interpreting the symbols correctly)?
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>They seem to have a pretty good thing going on with city agencies around the world - police and traffic enforcement, so you never know.

As a long-time fan and booster of Vectrix, including on this forum, I must point out that the agencies you refer to have the "real" Vectrix, which was a true maxiscooter (400cc performance, 67mph top speed). Vectrix went bankrupt poring money into developing a methanol fuel cell version) and just before they went bust they had already started selling a cheaper version using ordinary batteries and skipping energy management.

This is not Vectrix, it's a Chinese battery manufacturer who bought out what was left of the company - meaning their patents.
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Um...what makes the hub so hot you can't touch it (if I'm interpreting the symbols correctly)?
Hub engine? Or from regenerative braking (Don't know if they have it)?
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They have regen braking. That's a no-brainer on an electric vehicle.

I can see a good market in some areas, especially those where <5KW power plants are OK for a younger age-group, riding a scooter is 'the norm', petrol (gas) prices are way higher than in the US, and parking for PTWs are far more user-friendly than for cars. I can't see the sums adding up in the US - but in the EU especially the major conurbations, this might be a winner.

Plus in the EU we have an increasing number of public electric charging stations being installed. Many of them free to the user.
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They have regen braking. That's a no-brainer on an electric vehicle.
I was just to lazy to read the article... especially on my phone...
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Okay, I am admittedly old, stubborn and resistant to change. But to me, a battery-powered scooter is about as appealing as a battery-powered wife.
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PeterC wrote:
Okay, I am admittedly old, stubborn and resistant to change. But to me, a battery-powered scooter is about as appealing as a battery-empowered wife.
Fixed that for you.
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BELK do you have the gasbuddy app? It tells you where the cheapest gas is in any location that you want.Not that's it's a big deal when filing up the scooter but if you can save a few cents why not. The electric wouldn't be good here because we'd have to pay for the charge and our electric is high.
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>They seem to have a pretty good thing going on with city agencies around the world - police and traffic enforcement, so you never know.

As a long-time fan and booster of Vectrix, including on this forum, I must point out that the agencies you refer to have the "real" Vectrix, which was a true maxiscooter (400cc performance, 67mph top speed). Vectrix went bankrupt poring money into developing a methanol fuel cell version) and just before they went bust they had already started selling a cheaper version using ordinary batteries and skipping energy management.

This is not Vectrix, it's a Chinese battery manufacturer who bought out what was left of the company - meaning their patents.
The entire US sales team was in the booth at Dealer Expo, and they were all pretty happy with the way things are going, especially their success overseas and with U.S. municipalities buying ALL of their models. They specifically said that the Los Angeles traffic enforcement folks were all over the VX-3, and had outfitted them with license plate readers for stealthy scans in parking lots.

I'd say that they are doing OK with Gold Peak. Their current U.S. made VX-1 has a top speed of 68 MPH, and, depending on the batteries used in it, a range of 35-85 miles and 0-50 time of 6.0 to 6.8 seconds. I like the Chinese-made VX-2 because it's a lot more affordable, and might fit my commute to a T. Then again, I've always been an early adopter...
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We just became a ZERO Motorcycle dealer.
We thought about Vectrix, but decided to go with ZERO.
Yes they are more expensive but they offer quite a bit and they are built in California.

These are INCREDIBLE electric motorcycles; never thought I'd say this but damn...

We should get our first ones in a few weeks.

Check it here...
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/
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Encouraging but ultimately I don't think they will be successful with this product anywhere. Until the batteries get lighter it's a no-go. The performance needs to be comparable to a 100+ cc scooter and not weigh more than a gas-powered scooter. That isn't going to happen with current or near future battery technology. Even with $10/gallon gas.
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