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I just bought a Fly 150 with 4000 miles on it, right when it needed an oil change. I'm the third owner, and the second owner bought it at about 3700, but being a larger guy, decided he wanted something with more displacement. When he bought it, he had taken it to our local Vespa dealer, who inspected it, and replaced the plastic panel around the ignition (damage from theft that had occurred with the first owner). The Vespa people had stated that the bike looked "like new," but this didn't involve changing the oil.

So I replaced the oil yesterday, and there were a bunch of metal shavings in the oil pre-filter! The oil wasn't gross -- it doesn't seem that anyone neglected to change it.

All of the flakes are very thin and many of them were poking through and stuck in the pre-filter holes. I should have taken a picture, but I've made a terrible free-hand drawing to try to illustrate what these flakes looked like.

There were a few longer curved flakes, and many little dandruff-sized darker flakes. There were also some little bits of what appeared to be red paper. Everything was very thin. The curvy flakes were shiny on a side, and looked like aluminum. The dark flakes I couldn't tell and didn't test with a magnet.

The pre-filter itself wasn't warped or damaged. It wasn't absolutely white, but more of a beige color (see
"beige" here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beige).

Right now my theory/hope is that the first owner had replaced the oil and filter as needed, on his own, but had consistently neglected to clean the pre-filter.

The bike rides nicely, I've put enough miles on it to notice that the gas mileage is ~60-70 mpg, where it should be, assuming that the gas needle is accurate. In the past, with cars, I've found that you can usually tell engine damage -- it shows itself in the acceleration and or noise.

My questions are: (1) Should I worry? and (2)What should I do?

Right now, my plan is to change the oil in a couple hundred miles to check for more metal flakes. And maybe then worry, if necessary.

What do you guys think?
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sounds like the motor is done breaking in. i really don't think you have a problem, the motors are pretty bullet proof. but i would let the dealer know about what you found just so it is noted. this really does not seem bad. i usally got a small amount of "glitter" in my oil every oil change when i ran the 150cc kit.
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Good plan to check again in a couple of hundred miles - but I'd bet that pre-filter hasn't been cleaned before. I'd have the same concerns as you, but wouldn't worry too much. If there is any more at 200 miles, take off the side of the sump and check in there too, clean it out and then give it another 200 miles. I bet it's all good now you've cleaned it though.

I had one bike that showed up tiny slivers at both first and second services, but none after that - and all others have been clean from the start. All worked just fine.
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Here's what my oil screen looked like at break-in; there was nothing in this screen at the second oil change:
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You really can't do much more than take the advice given here, particularly
Jimc's. There isn't much that comes to the forum that he hasn't dealt with at one time or another.

Edit: Geez I hope that came out right.
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ROFL emoticon

I do like puzzle-solving, that is certainly true.
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Hey, John, the small shavings I saw looked similar to that. I had quite a bit more red gasket and no green gasket. But the curly shavings were looong compared to any of those. In terms of your picture, they would have extended about 3/4 of the way along the length of one of those pre-filter windows.

scootmom/jimc, I'm with you both. It seems that as long as they're very thin on a side, they're maybe just flashing/or burr?/ or IReallyDon'tKnowTheCorrectTechnicalTerm that didn't get knocked loose in manufacture. I'll check again in a couple hundred mi and hope that it looks clean.
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I'm with Jim on this one and don't think the screen was cleaned properly during the first oil change.
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Re: Fly 150 -- 4k miles and thin metal shavings in the oil
iasonas wrote:
Right now, my plan is to change the oil in a couple hundred miles to check for more metal flakes. And maybe then worry, if necessary.
That's all you can do.

Theft is the wild card. "Ride it like you stole it" is cliche for a reason.

And only 300 miles by second owner is suspect.

Wish you luck. I've bought a used lemon or two.
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Wait, can you fatally over-rev the engine? I wouldn't have thought that was possible with it being fully automatic.
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It might be possible on a long, very steep downhill... one that is steep enough to overcome compression braking after the rev limiter has kicked in.

You'd probably soil your pants and apply your brakes before that happened, though. Razz emoticon
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Aloha and welcome to the forum from Hawaii. I didn't have too many bits of metal when i did my first oil change but they were there. Like others have said see what happens on your next one. If it's running well i wouldn't worry about it. Have fun with your new ride.
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