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Right,
I know all the steps etc with taking the exhausts, all the bolts, rear right suspension, pin cotter etc.

But I'm posting this because I was stuck on the 24mm bit where the nut is so stiff. I held the wheel in place by a clutch holder tool. I hear people mention that they've held the rear Brake lever instead. I've also seen it in the MicBergsma(Amazing guy btw) Video, he just clamps the rear lever with some straps.

So am I right in saying by just holding the rear brake lever, it becomes an easier job for that nut to come off rather then using the clutch holding tool, does it actually make a difference?

I should have tried that earlier but then my crappy drive socket went bust cause' of the pressure I put on it, and it'd only lock and couldn't unlock nuts anymore. So i just assembled the rear back together and went to the store to replace the drive socket. Though now the tool was replaced, I want to attempt it again. I just want to know the best way to unlock that stiff 24mm nut and whether just holding the rear brake does the job!

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Re: Removing the rear wheel on the GTS
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I just want to know the best way to unlock that stiff 24mm nut
A breaker bar wouldn't unlock it?
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I actually just used a 1/2 drive socket.
Or is it due to the fact that I should be using a breaker bar?
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I always use a breaker bar when removing the back tire. It was how I was taught. I'm sure someone will chime in if this is not the best method.
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Use a heat gun (hair dryer on high setting) and apply some heat and then use a breaker bar...don't use the socket wrench.

If you need more leverage with the breaker bar, place a pipe (inexpensive galvenize pipe will do) over the breaker bar and gentle apply downward pressure.

Wish you
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Right,
First things first.
I must get myself a breaker bar!!

Sighs* More to spend, though a good investment!

Thanks Guys!
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Use a six-sided impact socket on a breaker bar - *and* you might need a 'welly magnifier' (AKA scaffold pole or other tube) to give more moment to your 'surprising' force to get that nut started.

Clutch holding tool is best. If you just stop the rear wheel turning you're putting all that force through the transmission reduction gear train, not optimal, or advised.

On the 400/500 engines the rear wheel tricks have to be used. The workshop manual method doesn't work on clutch nuts done up with a (possibly over-enthusiastic) air-impact-gun as used by every workshop I've seen.
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Thanks Jim,
I'm gonna get myself a breaker bar in the morning.
But actually wanted your and everyoneelses' opinion on this gadget
http://www.impresstools.com/p/Sealey-AK7315-Breaker-Bar-Extendable-1/2%22Square-Drive/128834

Or should I just keep it simple.
Also 450mm or 600mm, which is preferred and the best option?
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I use a 450mm breaker bar, and have a 3m scaffold pole to add to it if necessary.

Six-sided impact sockets are a *huge* plus if you find a sale where you can get a set cheaply.
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Markypost wrote:
I held the wheel in place by a clutch holder tool. I hear people mention that they've held the rear Brake lever instead.
IMO brake is best.

Clutch holder is probably OK, but a lot of torque to be putting thru the clutch bell and cover.
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So you'd rather stress the gear train?
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Rotor is bolted to hub and hub is splined to axle. If hub's not turning nothing else is either.
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Definitely breaker bar and a 3/4" galvanize conduit as an extension. It also helps if you use a hammer and lightly tap around the lock nut. Hit it on the sides, not the edges.
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I always use a breaker bar when removing the back tire. It was how I was taught. I'm sure someone will chime in if this is not the best method.
I 2nd this.
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Clutch holding tool is best. If you just stop the rear wheel turning you're putting all that force through the transmission reduction gear train, not optimal, or advised.
I think that's backwards. If you use the clutch holding tool, you are in fact putting all the strain on the transmission (and the clutch bell, and the transmission cover). Using the brake will avoid all of that, as it (as bluecloud points out) stop the wheel and thus the axle from moving while the nut is being removed.

(That said, I've sometimes used the clutch holder for this job...)
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I just put a metal bar through the wheel....
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LAE wrote:
I just put a metal bar through the wheel....
use wood so as to not scratch rims or cause dings.
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LAE wrote:
I just put a metal bar through the wheel....
use wood so as to not scratch rims or cause dings.
Good point, but then I'd damage my wood.
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Clutch holding tool is best. If you just stop the rear wheel turning you're putting all that force through the transmission reduction gear train, not optimal, or advised.
I think that's backwards. If you use the clutch holding tool, you are in fact putting all the strain on the transmission (and the clutch bell, and the transmission cover). Using the brake will avoid all of that, as it (as bluecloud points out) stop the wheel and thus the axle from moving while the nut is being removed.

(That said, I've sometimes used the clutch holder for this job...)
You're right, sorry. My brain had switched to removing the clutch nut rather than the axle nut.

Yes, use the brake (a Griplock is useful if you have one) *and* a piece of stout wood to lock the wheel.

Apols.
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I have only ever used a 1/2" torque wrench and just clamp the brake lever.
Now don't get me started about getting the bloody exhaust off.
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Job Done!!!
Done what I needed to do!

Will post pictures on another topic later!

I actually just held the brake lever and push hard with the breaker bar, and Jim, I didn't need the scaffolding just used that ol' 450mm bar!


Thanks for the advice everyone!
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I use the brake and a breaker bar. Works like a charm for me.
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