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So, as is often the case, when getitng into a new field there are some things that just aren't in the manual, and which don't get mentioned. Generally, these are the kinds of things that anyone who knows about those things just takes as basic, given concepts.

In this case, I was blissfully unaware that the oil filter is only ever supposed to be hand-tightened. Seeing as, pror to the bike, I have never done mechanical work...well, I didn't know that. So I cranked that sumbitch down as tight as I possibly could with the filter wrench.

Oh, and I think the seal ring from the old filter may still be there too, so that's not helping either. Everything else seems great...no problem cleaning the mesh filter tube, no losing the drain cap O-Ring, all is good. No leaks from the drain cap either, so I believe I did that all correctly.

Of course, when I start it up, oil pours out from the filter connection. Fuck me. There went almost all the oil I put in, which was almost all I had...

And best of all, I can't get the filter back off, because the angle of the surrounding metal and the contracting wrench's mechansm combine badly for removal...anyone got any tips to get that damn filter back out?

And once that is done, try #2, with application of today's important lesson.
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Order this and it will come off. Only tighten the filter to snug.

http://www.scooterwest.com/items/?_pageCCS=t#page=/item_details/Piaggio-500-Oil-Filter-Tool/2444

400's and 500's use the same wrench, 250's are different
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I've heard that doesn't really work the the Hi-Flo?

That, and I'd like to find a more immediate way. I've got no qualms about altering/damaging/destroying the overtightened filter, it's got to be ruined already...
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Oil filter woes - Resolved!
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Well yeah, I would like it to come off in one piece...I just meant I'd be fine if it was damaged since it probably is already.
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Sidecutter wrote:
I've heard that doesn't really work the the Hi-Flo?

That, and I'd like to find a more immediate way. I've got no qualms about altering/damaging/destroying the overtightened filter, it's got to be ruined already...
I would like to know your source please. I have one and it fits the HF-184 perfectly.

you didn't read sticky new post in the wiki now did you.
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Works great with the Hi Flo, done it six times. These should work if you need to grab it firmly. Just be very careful for the sake of threads on the scoot.

http://www.harborfreight.com/2-inch-to-4-1-4-quarter-inch-oil-filter-wrench-36778.html
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Sidecutter wrote:
I've heard that doesn't really work the the Hi-Flo?

That, and I'd like to find a more immediate way. I've got no qualms about altering/damaging/destroying the overtightened filter, it's got to be ruined already...
I would like to know your source please. I have one and it fits the HF-184 perfectly.

you didn't read sticky new post in the wiki now did you.
I did read it. And this is my source.
https://modernvespa.com/forum/wiki-mp3-400-common-service-parts

"[1] The Hiflo HF184 has unusual facets, so the standard Piaggio cap-style tool (available from Scooterwest) might not work. "
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Works great with the Hi Flo, done it six times. These should work if you need to grab it firmly. Just be very careful for the sake of threads on the scoot.

http://www.harborfreight.com/2-inch-to-4-1-4-quarter-inch-oil-filter-wrench-36778.html
I'll see if I can find a good fit for the "cup" style at Auto Zone or whatever on my way home tonight and see how it goes. I'm not really in the mood to have my bike down for several more days waiting for shipping. If that fails I will find those pliers at the local Harbor Freight.
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When your at the auto parts store, if they don't have the right size filter wrench, just ask them for a pair of oil filter pliers, they'll have them.
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Another oil wrench that will work, utilizing a thin spring steel band with a 3/8" drive. Can be found at any reputable auto parts retailer with a Lisle Tool Display. Inexpensive without being cheap for $9.30 USD.
http://www.lislecorp.com/divisions/products/?product=333&division=1&category=9


Lisle #53400
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A few pics of the buzzetti oil filter tool
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A couple more on the scoot.
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It is good to see a specality tool that solves the Master Engines short comings.
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Well, progress. I picked up what I needed from Ralph's Garage on the way home from work, then hit Auto Zone. Found that the "A" type cup wrench fits the filter super-snug, I almost couldn't get it back off the new-new filter. So if anyone needs a cup wrench, that one should do you well.

Unfortunately the bottom of the old-new filter that I put on too tight was deformed from the band-wrench, so the cup wrench was way too loose on it. So I leaned the bike part over on the grass incline beside the driveway and got out the bigarse flatblade sxrewdriver and a hammer and went to work. Did the job beautifully, no fuss at all. And just as I suspected, the rubber gasket from the old filter, broken in two, fell out when the old-new filter came undone.

Added another quart back in, ran the motor for a couple minutes. Have to be careful because the oil spilled on the motor is of course smoking itself off, and I don't want that to get out of control, so I'm going back out now to check the oil level again and run it some more, with the fire extinguisher handy just in case.

The good news...no leaking at all now! So I guess I got it hand-tight properly, and the drain plug is properly torqued. Woo! Just needs a nice trip to the car wash to get the mess off it from my fuckups...
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Glad to hear you got it done, and without as much problem as jimc had.
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Victory! Looks good. I moved to a clean patch of driveway, let it burn off for a good while until I only saw small bits of smoke, and the level stayed good...saw two smal drips, but I actually suspect those came from the oil spillage and not the filter. No sign of any drips from the plug.

*edit* Do need to crack the plug a bit tomorrow and drain just a little, it's slightly over max. All good though, and I picked up some octane booster as well. Was in a hurry last time I filled up, at it was from a common-hose type pump, so I suspect my effective fuel was only midgrade. Put a capful of the booster in what was left and the engine completely stopped stalling while idlng to circulate the oil.
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Maynard Schweigert wrote:
Another oil wrench that will work, utilizing a thin spring steel band with a 3/8" drive. Can be found at any reputable auto parts retailer with a Lisle Tool Display. Inexpensive without being cheap for $9.30 USD.
Maynard, have you used that tool on an MP3?
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