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Hi All,
I have found that I can change gears on my 66 Allstate without using the clutch. Is this a sign of major wear or am I just hitting the sweet spot in engine rpms and gear change?

Sir Paul
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Your hitting the sweet spot and apparently enjoy replacing cruciforms.

The only time I do it is when I break a clutch cable and need to get home.
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theageofindustry wrote:
Your hitting the sweet spot and apparently enjoy replacing cruciforms.

The only time I do it is when I break a clutch cable and need to get home.
+1, cut that out.
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Yep, that will damage the cruciform
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And the cruciforms on smallframes are:

1) not cheap, looking at $65-70 for a PIAGGIO (not RMS shit) cruciform for smallframes.

2) a bitch to swap out. the balls and springs are a pain in the ass to remove and install. It's not like a p-series where its easy to split the flywheel case off to remove and replace the crux.

3) Doing this can damage your cruciform, your gears, and your cush drive.

Unless you like to rebuild stuff and spent a ton of money, knock it off. Especially if this is supposed to be the cannonball scooter.
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I had to do that once when I broke a clutch cable. I was very surprised at how nicely the gears went in.

Nothing like running beside and jumping on the scooter ata traffic light in rush hour traffic.
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Re: Is this a bad thing?
yes
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Hmmm
So the consensus is "KNOCK IT OFF".
Oops. Gotcha, thanks

Slapping my own wrist, and ceasing and desisting.

Yes Travis, this is the cannonball scooter .

Thanks everyone for your prompt and honest(tuff luv) replies.

Sir Paul
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Running tha Cannonball on a smallframe....that's badass.
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Running????
Hi Nigel,
Running might be slightly optimistic, more of a brisk stroll really.
BTW, I don't want y'all to think I was purposely changing gears without using the clutch. It just happened a coupla times when the torque(haha) of second gear took me by surprise and my left wrist moved too much and voila gear change!

Sir Paul.

Hey Nigel check the riders list for the cannonball, pretty sure there are a couple of other riders with old, small scooters too.
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regarding the clutch, shifting, and reliability on cannonball, make your shifts smooth and deliberate. Clutch fully in, shift, clutch fully out, throttle on.

It's also not a bad idea to do a quick roll off/roll on after shifting to allow the shifting cross to settle on the gear and give the clutch a moment of zero load to come up to full holding strength.
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Thanks Patrick....
.... I have owned a few older sports cars and trucks in my day, once I grew out of the "boy racer quick shift" frame of mind I started to make all my gear changes a lot more deliberate.
Also, yesterday I spent most of my 230 mile ride working out counter steering techniques. Sounds wrong when explained, but works so well in reality. A real "oh I get it now" moment.

Sir Paul
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