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Awesome.

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I did not think that was possible.

Thanks, Jess.
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I did not think that was possible.

Thanks, Jess.
It's not without some help from motors. For full human powered ornithopter you have to use your legs.

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I did not think that was possible
it ain't.
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hope its real but at 0.35 it looks a bit iffy
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Pa-leeze. That looks so fake and his acting is bad too.
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It's not fake, exactly, but there's a detail that isn't obvious. He is in fact controlling the flapping of the wings, but his arm motions are a set of inputs to two motors that do the actual work of flapping the wings.

You can read more about it here: http://gizmodo.com/5894904/man-flies-like-a-bird-flapping-his-own-wings
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So it's just not what it seems.
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Wow, it sure stirred up a storm of comments on the original You tube clip, the majority of which are very sceptical that its real....hmmmmm
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If it is a fake it is a damn good one. http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/03/analysis-of-the-human-birdwings/
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So, where do I stand on the issue of real or fake? I said I would leave that up to you, didn't I? Let me just say that there is nothing in this video that indicates it must be a fake.
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Looks like a cable pull to me, especially with those two tracks in the grass along the flight path.
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Uhm - highly suspicious that this is fake, that is despite the comments on YT.

If this was real you have to ask a few questions.

1. Why would you not get a few more cameras to capture the moment in higher quality?

2. I am sure you would wear a better fitting helmet than the one the flyer is wearing.

3. You would wear more appropriate clothing.

4. Perhaps most tellingly, you would not fly towards a forest of trees! You would want a completely open flat area where the wind is stable (it will not be near the trees) and you have plenty of space for errors. To get smooth wind you need to be at least triple the height of the trees away from them.

5. You would have media there to capture the moment.

I cannot see how this is real.
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"I just flew in from Chicago and Boy, Are my arms tired!"

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That would be
So
Freaking
Awesome.

It even has me talking like a teen.

Dude!

I hope and wish it were real. If not, maybe sometime soon.
I'd be all over that. 8)
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Dutch filmmaker admits faking viral 'human bird wing' video

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/03/22/viral-human-bird-wings-video-fake-probably-ad-expert-says/
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Yep. It's been a hot topic for the last two days, with LOTS of actual experts weighing in. Usually it's just the armchair quarterbacks claiming that something is fake.

Bet the guy gets a job out of this.
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Not even remotely possible. And you can see in this video when it changes to CGI when the camera "accidentally" points at the ground at about 1:50. In the faked part of the vid there's a black square on the right wing that wasn't there before.

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Not even remotely possible.
To be fair, the premise of human flight using bird-like wings isn't outside the realm of possibility. The claim made here was that motors provide the actual force, not strictly human powered. This makes the claim a lot more realistic.

Alas, in this case it was fake.

I'm looking forward to the projects that this will inspire, though. Someone could yet pull it off.
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You've seen this, no?

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You've seen this, no?
Yes, though technically that's just gliding.

(But way freakin' cool, regardless).
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You've seen this, no?

For those who haven't seen this video that starreem posted, it's amazing. GoPro and FiveTen -- two companies I'd never heard of three months ago -- are sponsoring/producing a lot of these incredible videos. Jess, I completely agree with you regarding looking forward to future off-shoot projects and developing technologies. It's the stories of guys working in their garages on new, way out-of-the-box crazy ideas that I find most interesting. Great posts, guys.
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You've seen this, no?

This is fake! You can see his shoe laces are tied up differently as he goes through the canyon with the balloons at 7.43sec.


I would SOOOOOO love to swap my desk for his flight suit and freedom.
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This is fake! You can see his shoe laces are tied up differently as he goes through the canyon with the balloons at 7.43sec.
I'm much less sceptical about this one because of my own 'frame of reference' on what they're doing - I've seen Jeb on another one or two programmes and I know that there are a couple of SERIOUS basejumpers out there perfecting their art and doing some amazing flights now with winged suits. I think GoPro technology maybe is allowing these flights to be better captured now - better HD quality, less shake and motion blur etc?

I couldn't see shoelaces at 7.43 but maybe I missed something. Multiple takes and cut together footage could account for something like shoelace tying.

I also see less reason for Jeb and Roberta to fake this - it's their life and dreams - and in that sort of community you're only interested in pushing the boundaries of whats possible and doing it for real. Likewise do GoPro want to have their business known for lying and fakery?

I could be wrong, but I'm in the 'real' camp on this one, for now at least
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charlesm wrote:
This is fake! You can see his shoe laces are tied up differently as he goes through the canyon with the balloons at 7.43sec.
I'm much less sceptical about this one because of my own 'frame of reference' on what they're doing
He was being sarcastic. Whenever anyone posts a video on the internet that is even vaguely ambitious, the armchair quarterbacks come out of the woodwork to say "It's fake!" even when it isn't.
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