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Heard rumors that Piaggio is taking the 350 motor (330cc) from new Beverly and making the biggest GTS super yet. Awesome!

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Okay, that's not true... I just made that up. Wishful-thinking. Well, I guess I can start that rumor right now, right here.

Seriously, though... does anyone know if Piaggio engines from a non-Vespa brand has history of eventually ending up in a Vespa? Would it even fit?
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Among the many reasons I went with a NOS 250 was that I'd have a better chance at having it paid off by the time they manager to shoehorn the 330 into a GTS frame
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Bikes bearing the Piaggio marquee and the Vespa marquee often share the same engines, yes. Sometimes with slight changes such as the length of the swingarm and different gearing, but generally the same in all other respects.

That's not to say that ALL Piaggio engines show up in the Vespa, but I think so far virtually every modern Vespa engine has shown up in a Piaggio bike.
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Among the many reasons I went with a NOS 250 was that I'd have a better chance at having it paid off by the time they manager to shoehorn the 330 into a GTS frame
Yeah, I know what you mean. This is is not gonna stop me from buying a GTS 300 Super as soon as I have the money... but I guess this means that in about 3~4 years, I might be very tempted to upgrade yet again.
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Would it even fit?
No, the new 350 Piaggio engine/transmission will not fit in the present GTS body (it is too long). A major redesign of the GTS body would be required. Probably changes to the brakes and suspension as well.
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Would it even fit?
No, the new 350 Piaggio engine/transmission will not fit in the present GTS body (it is too long). A major redesign of the GTS body would be required. Probably changes to the brakes and suspension as well.
But the body is pretty much unchanged since the GT125/200, so it's not out of the question that they might be considering an entirely new model using the larger engine.

We are already expecting a new smaller bodied scooter based on the concept model shown recently, so a new larger bodied one would make sense too.

There are probably quite a lot of people that don't see the point in upgrading just to get a slightly bigger engine, but get a new design as well and I'd be there on day one.
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I have the 2012 gts super, and it's a neck cracker...
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deathbytray wrote:
Would it even fit?
No, the new 350 Piaggio engine/transmission will not fit in the present GTS body (it is too long). A major redesign of the GTS body would be required. Probably changes to the brakes and suspension as well.
Or just a shorter swingarm. They do this already with the QUASAR engine, which has a long swingarm for the BV/Beverly and a shorter swingarm for the GTS. The 350 engine itself doesn't seem any larger, except for that extended large-wheel swingarm.

Whether it actually makes any sense to put a 33hp engine in a Vespa is a different question.
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jess wrote:
Dooglas wrote:
deathbytray wrote:
Would it even fit?
No, the new 350 Piaggio engine/transmission will not fit in the present GTS body (it is too long). A major redesign of the GTS body would be required. Probably changes to the brakes and suspension as well.
Or just a shorter swingarm. They do this already with the QUASAR engine, which has a long swingarm for the BV/Beverly and a shorter swingarm for the GTS. The 350 engine itself doesn't seem any larger, except for that extended large-wheel swingarm.

Whether it actually makes any sense to put a 33hp engine in a Vespa is a different question.
Of course it does

The GTS300 always feels to me like it could cope with more power, though it might benefit from a bit bigger brake disks if it was going to gain another 10mph top speed.
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Never mind a bigger engine. I want a bigger fuel tank. So there.
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Dooglas wrote:
deathbytray wrote:
Would it even fit?
No, the new 350 Piaggio engine/transmission will not fit in the present GTS body (it is too long). A major redesign of the GTS body would be required. Probably changes to the brakes and suspension as well.
Or just a shorter swingarm. They do this already with the QUASAR engine, which has a long swingarm for the BV/Beverly and a shorter swingarm for the GTS. The 350 engine itself doesn't seem any larger, except for that extended large-wheel swingarm.

Whether it actually makes any sense to put a 33hp engine in a Vespa is a different question.
I guess only time will tell, but by all account it seems the 330cc engine is a big leap forward in efficiency for Piaggio engines. I guess there could be some benefit to putting a de-tuned 330cc into a GTS chassis, just to benefit from the improvements in efficiency and reliability.

But I'm just going by the pressers, so for all we know, it could suck.
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