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On my daily 25 mile commute to work, going about 45mph, the back tire blew. Sounded like a cross between a gun and a Star Wars blaster! I'm quite proud of myself; didn't even twitch the handlebars. Just turned on the turn signal and pulled over.

I knew the tire needed to be replaced. In fact, I was going to take it tomorrow morning. Instead, it got a $75 ride in a trailer while I was dropped off at work in a minivan Clown emoticon
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Glad to hear you negotiated that disaster successfully!

You will be rolling again soon enough.
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Picking it up tomorrow morning! Vespa Orlando has been great in the almost year since I bought it. They wanted me to pick it up today as they're short on space, but I couldn't swing it.
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What made it blow out? You said it needed to be replaced but that just suggests low tread which shouldn't be enough to actually make a tyre blow. Was there a nail in it or something? I thought modern tubeless tyres just deflated slowly rather than blew.
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What made it blow out? You said it needed to be replaced but that just suggests low tread which shouldn't be enough to actually make a tyre blow. Was there a nail in it or something? I thought modern tubeless tyres just deflated slowly rather than blew.
hard to tell with out pics but I suspect the op had a balding rear tire with possible cords showing which if hitting any pot hole or sharp object could result in a blow out not just a slow leak.
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Re: Had a blow-out this morning
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I knew the tire needed to be replaced.
Elaborate please...
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A very bald tire. I'll post a pic when I get home tonight. I didn't hit any bump that I know of, just a regular not-exactly-smooth road.
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A very bald tire. I'll post a pic when I get home tonight. I didn't hit any bump that I know of, just a regular not-exactly-smooth road.
Wow, well glad you're ok!

I'm sure you're not going to ride on bald tyres again!
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Same thing happened to my wife (although at a lesser speed) a couple of years ago, she had only been riding Vespas for a few weeks but she handled it like a pro.
Glad you're ok.
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Slow leaks are sneaky. You may or may not notice a handling change as the pressure drops but the heat build up in the lower pressure tire is what can ultimately lead to the sudden failure or "blowout". And it can happen without ever hitting anything.
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Glad your alright. Could of been a bad scene I'm getting my Heidi's put on today and while their not bald i don't have much tread left. Not good.
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Finally got the pic off my phone. Here's the guilty tire.
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Odd that the fabric only shows in that one place. I remember when I was riding an Ltd 440 and trying to save money I rode a set of tyres into the ground. When the fabric first started to show, it showed all the way round the tyre rather than in one place. When I finally chickened out and replaced them, I remember the tyre guy looking at me a little funny and asking me how many miles I'd done on them. I replied 15k and he nodded "yep, that would explain it".
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25 mile commute in showery Florida probably not a good idea on "slicks"! Recommend earlier replacement next time.
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Definitely going to replace it earlier next time! This tire had 8k miles on it. The front one does too, but it still looks quite good.
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That's not a guilty tyre, it's a guilty CyberLizard! Shame on you sir blaming an innocent inanimate rubber object

Seriously though, if you had caused an accident the police would certainly be blaming you NOT the tyre!!
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Mea culpa!
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Age of tire ...
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Definitely going to replace it earlier next time! This tire had 8k miles on it. The front one does too, but it still looks quite good.
Another factor to consider is the age of the tire. I'm new to scooters, so not sure if the same rules apply. Maybe others could elaborate on the topic. Rubber gets old! Automotive tires come with a date per DOT rules and could give you trouble depending on the age. Opinions vary. Check this link out. A front tire blow out may have resulted In a less than successful out come.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=11
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aa318906 - I've had the bike (and the tires) since may of last year. I didn't know about the code, I'll take a look and see what mine shows.
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Finally got the pic off my phone. Here's the guilty tire.

my goodness, worn through two layers of cords , you are a lucky man...teacher says go write the words "tread wear indicator" on the chalk board 100 times..." thank you for an honest sharing of the story, please be safe, and "go forth and sin no more"
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Wow I can't believe you were riding on that. No lecture here though since you already know it was a bad idea and my lectures suck anyway. Glad you didn't get hurt.
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FTR, I couldn't see any of the cords on the tire, just baldness. Irregardless, I was still pushing it. When I had a car I had 3 other tires to make up the slack when I drive my tires into the ground. Lot less slack with only 2 tires.
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FTR, I couldn't see any of the cords on the tire, just baldness.
Scooter10S was just commenting that 2 layers of cord are visible in the photo you posted. Glad you weren't hurt. Keep on eye on your tires in the future. Those two sets of tread are all there is between you and the road .
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FTR, I couldn't see any of the cords on the tire, just baldness.
Scooter10S was just commenting that 2 layers of cord are visible in the photo you posted. Glad you weren't hurt. Keep on eye on your tires in the future. Those two sets of tread are all there is between you and the road .
Shoot! Two sets of cords are worn through, not just visible.
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A very bald tire. I'll post a pic when I get home tonight. I didn't hit any bump that I know of, just a regular not-exactly-smooth road.
Note to self: be more anal about replacing tires when they wear.
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I'm glad you're ok, but, how could you let a tyre get so bald?

I guess laws aren't as strict where you're from. I'd fear for my safety having something that bad.
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Wow, now i'm even more impressed that you weren't hurt with those tires, i mean tire. You got your monies worth out of it tho. Laughing emoticon I had a 5yr old over 12k original Pirelli front tire that i took off on Saturday. The cupping was so severe, even i could see it from far away once it was off. That wasn't too smart to ride with that either and my back was almost down to the cords as well. Love my new Heidi's. What kind of tire did you replace it with?
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judy - The local Vespa shop uses Vee Rubber tires by default. I didn't specify anything different since that was the tire on it before. They seem to get good reviews and I never had any problem with them.

AKP - Not sure what you mean about the law. We don't have safety or emission inspections down here. I let it get that bald because it's my first bike and having only had cars, it didn't occur to me that I'd have to replace a tire after only 8 months! Guess I know better now. Razz emoticon
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So what does it take to mount tires one's self? Shop charged about $69 for the tire, $75 to mount! How hard can it be? Laughing emoticon
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@Judy - The local Vespa shop uses Vee Rubber tires by default. I didn't specify anything different since that was the tire on it before. They seem to get good reviews and I never had any problem with them.

@AKP - Not sure what you mean about the law. We don't have safety or emission inspections down here. I let it get that bald because it's my first bike and having only had cars, it didn't occur to me that I'd have to replace a tire after only 8 months! Guess I know better now. Razz emoticon
In the UK you legally have to have a certain amount of tread on your tyres. If they get too low run the risk of fines, points on your license, or even the bike being taken off the road by the Police until you can rectify the issue.

Sounds tough, but, it's safe.
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So what does it take to mount tires one's self? Shop charged about $69 for the tire, $75 to mount! How hard can it be? Laughing emoticon
To save money I order the tire online then take the wheel off the bike and take it and the new tire to a local Yamaha shop for mounting. They only charge me $25.00 though I still have to balance it myself since they don't have the right equipment for my wheel. And save more if you want to learn (and buy equipment) to mount your own tires.
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Try City Grips, a very nice tire...
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So what does it take to mount tires one's self? Shop charged about $69 for the tire, $75 to mount! How hard can it be? Laughing emoticon
Well, seeing as you just had a blowout, I would shell out a little money for a professional job this one time.

But I would call around a few motorcycle places near by to see if I could find a better price.
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So what does it take to mount tires one's self? Shop charged about $69 for the tire, $75 to mount! How hard can it be? Laughing emoticon
I have a bead breaker from Harbor Freight, and a few tire spoons. Took me a few tries to be able to do it quickly, but I can change a full set in less than an hour. It's been a long time since anyone other than me has worked on my bike.
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some places charge more for mounting a tire that you bring them but if you take the wheel instead of the bike it should be cheaper.
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@Judy - The local Vespa shop uses Vee Rubber tires by default. I didn't specify anything different since that was the tire on it before. They seem to get good reviews and I never had any problem with them.

@AKP - Not sure what you mean about the law. We don't have safety or emission inspections down here. I let it get that bald because it's my first bike and having only had cars, it didn't occur to me that I'd have to replace a tire after only 8 months! Guess I know better now. Razz emoticon
In the UK you legally have to have a certain amount of tread on your tyres. If they get too low run the risk of fines, points on your license, or even the bike being taken off the road by the Police until you can rectify the issue.

Sounds tough, but, it's safe.
same here in the US as far as tread depth. heck even all tires have a wear bar making it real easy to see when a new tire is needed.
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So what does it take to mount tires one's self? Shop charged about $69 for the tire, $75 to mount! How hard can it be? Laughing emoticon
well it ain't a bicycle tire. removing tires with out damaging rims is the hard part. lots of folks can get them on and off but ding up and scratch rims. I change my own tires but I also have a $900 tire changer. I also balance my own tires.

Remember to replace valve stems as well when installing new tires.

Oh I started changing my own tires a few years ago, I now have somewhere around 42 or 43 years doing it.
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@Judy - The local Vespa shop uses Vee Rubber tires by default. I didn't specify anything different since that was the tire on it before. They seem to get good reviews and I never had any problem with them.

@AKP - Not sure what you mean about the law. We don't have safety or emission inspections down here. I let it get that bald because it's my first bike and having only had cars, it didn't occur to me that I'd have to replace a tire after only 8 months! Guess I know better now. Razz emoticon
In the UK you legally have to have a certain amount of tread on your tyres. If they get too low run the risk of fines, points on your license, or even the bike being taken off the road by the Police until you can rectify the issue.

Sounds tough, but, it's safe.
Any state/country/county etc etc will have a similar law. Here in Ontario, Canada, the minimum by law is 1.5 mm of tread OR any tread wear indicator touching the road surface. You can be fined for driving with less, and if you have an accident, insurance companies are just itching to deny your claim.
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Wow, that really was bald. Glad you're OK.
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Replaced mine around 3000 miles and knew because it was getting a bit "slippery" around turns...even without gravel.
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