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Hi guys! It's me again, looking for some forum expertise!


I have been speaking to a local Houstonian in regards to his 74 primavera that he is selling.

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http://houston.craigslist.org/mcy/2879610293.html


The Bad
-The coveted battery side panel is missing
-No Title
-Speedo/Odometer non-functional
-Odometer reads 06630, who knows how many more miles?

The Good
-He claims it runs and runs well
-I'm 5'2" and a small frame vespa would be a perfect fit for me!
-I'm not afraid of a small project

He's asking for $1500, I was pricing some ODO/Speedometers, looks like $170-300 is the going rate for a new one.
I have no idea what the process is and how much it costs to replace a title.


Would you guys recommend me investing in this bike? What do you guys think I should offer if I do?


Thanks again!
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The ad says obo.

Offer 900 cash. It needs work and you always have to consider the cost of a rebuild.

No more than a grand.
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Consider this one (I know you are) but that blue one'll give you grief... If you could get it for under a grand as Jimmy suggests, and you were prepared to spend 23 on the other one, you could probaly take this one to a shop, have it rebuilt and freshened up for the difference (if it's not completley trashes mechanically... which it sounds like it's not) and end up with a much cooler bike that you'll fit... send the speedo to speedo king and he'd fix... I wouldn't write it off because of the speedo, or title.
There must be a club in Houston, reach out and see if a member would take a look at it, then you'll have an idea what you'll have to spend, and may get some leverage on the price.

just don't get the blue one... it screams "creamy outside, rotten inside"
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The picture makes it look like its missing its battery side panel. Ask the owner. If its missing, thats about $200-300 and rarer than rocking horse shit.
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The picture makes it look like its missing its battery side panel. Ask the owner. If its missing, thats about $200-300 and rarer than rocking horse shit.
But surely it can be found using the new: NOS Scooters Parts Locator Service!









what do you think T? you hire some hot, college intern who's great with research, intern gets school credit while scouring every small town classified ad, scooter internet thing, and takes road trip field trips to junk yards and barns while you kick back and watch the cheddar cheese fill your coffers.
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Looks good, well cared for, not beat. I'm betting no rebuild, just sorting - but go look!

Battery door? Is that the latch I see?

Speedo, could be just the pinion gear , down below. That's cheap . If not there are cheaper speedo heads available - both OG & repop - just have patience & try for OG if you can. EBay, scoot.net & there's a section here too. Fortunately, they're not rare. As for the door, again patience pays off - 300$ is for those that can't wait - meantime just make one & paint it flat black.

I could be wrong, but I think that with you wanting a Vespa so bad, you expect to mostly fix it yourself?

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I could be wrong, but I think that with you wanting a Vespa so bad, you expect to mostly fix it yourself?

PS Nice avatar, you're getting a lot of help! Razz emoticon
I'm good with the superficial stuff, easy fixes, if there's instructions available I can do it! Good thing for vespas, there's lots of sites and forums like this!
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The picture makes it look like its missing its battery side panel. Ask the owner. If its missing, thats about $200-300 and rarer than rocking horse shit.
Just asked, yes it's missing!

He was surprised I asked that!
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How much do y'all think it's worth without that panel?
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How much do y'all think it's worth without that panel?
I've been told if you can find them (and that's a big *if*) you are looking at spending several hundred dollars.
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How much do y'all think it's worth without that panel?
I've been told if you can find them (and that's a big *if*) you are looking at spending several hundred dollars.
i dont think he is looking for the cost of the door, but the value of the bike without the door.
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I'd max out at around $700, if its running perfectly. I got my Primavera, completely original, for $200 - no title.
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Judging by the respray, non original levers, seat, tail light...... I'd say the scooters been "scooterboy'd". That and a missing title, I'd be wary. Plus at 38 years old any 2T scooter is due for seals and gaskets IMO. $700 max if your willing to to put some money into it, and I mean like a grand for a good mechanical going through. And get the guy to go to the dmv with you to do the transfer in case it is still on the books with back registration due. Get the picture?


Just saw this in the for sale section
ET3 FS or trade
This would be a great scooter for you if you can swallow the price and get it from Cali. I think it's priced a little steep but not like high on crack steep.
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I don't like this advice you're getting. I think they're selling this Primavera in your own backyard short,

"I got mine once for $200" isn't good advice, it doesn't give you a sense of what a 125cc 4-speed running smallie is worth.

Instead you are to travel 2000 miles and spend 3 grand on a different (scooterboyed, albeit in a much nicer way) Primavera.

Scooter speedos are worthless anyway, when one goes out I don't even bother to fix it. I know the Texas DMV will read the odometer reading, but will they inpect your bike while rolling to prove it has a working speedo? I don't think anyone pays $300 for a '74 Primavera speedometer, and yours is probably rattled loose not "broken".

I agree you should find scooter club members in Houston, somebody could have that bike sorted in a weekend.

What in the pic or description makes you think that scooter needs a total engine rebuild? Maybe it does, but I don't think the seller should mark his bike down by 50% on that hunch.

Back registration fees for out-of-service vehicles is a California thing, I don't think it exists elsewhere. You pay to use the roads, in years when you don't use the roads, you don't pay.
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How much do y'all think it's worth without that panel?
I've been told if you can find them (and that's a big *if*) you are looking at spending several hundred dollars.
i dont think he is looking for the cost of the door, but the value of the bike without the door.
Right, but that missing battery-side door *is* a haggling point. It's not like an engine side door that can be bought *brand new* for $25 on scooter works. Unless they are perfectly content buying an incomplete scooter.
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I offered $700, he said no and didn't seem to bother counter offering.

Ohwell.. on to another bike I suppose?


There's a '75 Primavera in Austin:

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Looks pretty rough for $1700
He doesn't have the title, but says he has a bill of Sale from American Scooter Center
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I offered $700, he said no and didn't seem to bother counter offering.

Ohwell.. on to another bike I suppose?


There's a Primavera in Austin:

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Looks pretty rough for $1700
He doesn't have the title, but says he has a bill of Sale from American Scooter Center
1700 sounds a bit steep for that thing. It's in OK condition. Body looks mostly straight, a few minor dents in the leg shield and fender. Some evidence of rust on the floor board. If you go to check it out, make sure the rust from the floor board does not extend to the underside of the scooter.

Other than that, if it were me, I might bring 1200 in cash, offer a thousand. I wouldn't pay more than 1200 in that condition. Unless it has some upgrades to done to it: larger top end, carb, exhaust, etc.

Good luck!
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cash is king. its alot easier to drive a hard bargain with a wad of green backs at the wheel.
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Forgive me, I'll leave this whole Houston situation alone....soon

This bike is:

$200 more

still has a broken speedo

still has no title

looks about equally as rough, if not rougher

is not in your home town, but is 162 miles away


I still say the Houston bike is worth more than $700, probably close to $1500.

Do you think the Austin bike needs a major engine overhaul too? Why do you think it's worth $1200 as opposed to $700?
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$1500? I'm guessing you do not know the difference in values between Small Frames and Large Frames.

Airfin built a killer smallie with all the upgrades you could hope for, and couldn't even get $1650. Smallframes sell for considerably less than Large Frames.
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Smallframes sell for considerably less than Large Frames.
why is that....if you don't mind me asking

as a total scooter newbie with 2 smallframes, isn't the smallframe more of the "classic" vespa look?

i can see that the P series has the classic look, but to me not as classic.

are smallframes just too underpowered for most people to use on todays roads?

EDIT: ok, guess i was forgetting about the older largeframes like gs150, gs160, rally etc...told you i was a newbie
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I always thought a Primavera (not a V90 or something) was about equal in value to a P125.

If I had no scooters and had the bug to own one, I would consider a running P125 to be CLOSE to $1500 in value. I picked that number for the Houston Primavera because it was the seller's asking price, and I think maybe it's due for some minor haggling, but not an over 50% mark-down.

What about the restored, totally perfect ET3 Primmy in California? It's $2800, no small chunk of change.

Isn't a '66 bluebadge worth more than a largeframe Allstate like a VNB?
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$1500? I'm guessing you do not know the difference in values between Small Frames and Large Frames.

Airfin built a killer smallie with all the upgrades you could hope for, and couldn't even get $1650. Smallframes sell for considerably less than Large Frames.
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I offered $700, he said no and didn't seem to bother counter offering.
What has worked for me in the past is to not haggle with price over the phone. Set up a time to look at it in person. Bring as much cash as you're willing to drop on it. Like was mentioned, cash is king. Give the scooter a once over. Don't be afraid to point out what's wrong with it and the amount you'll need to spend to get it on the road again (including the hassle of having to get it titled -- you always run the risk that the bike was at some point in its life reported as stolen). Then whip out the green backs. It's hard to say no when someone is willing to buy it on the spot with a fistful of hundreds.

Just my 2 cents.
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Grover,

it's not my opinion, its straight up fact. mainly it has to do with power output, especially when it comes to riding in the States. as far that black sport 100 on scoot.net, i don't think that smallframe was priced competitively, and i don't think it has sold either.

But in all reality, a bike is worth what someone will pay for it. If the bike is worth x to you, pay x and bring it home.
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Blue badge and Allstate I'd put at equal in value. But that's me.

The ET3, well, It's an ET3! Rare in the US. Cool as hell. Stock electronic. Stock 3 port. And I would say an engine overhaul by Bar Italia is far from "scooterboyed". I wouldn't pay $2800, but then I already have a couple smallframes I've sunk way more into. I still say that is a good first bike for someone who is not looking for a "project". And a title adds a lot of value to me, but I wouldn't pass up a bargain for lack of one. But for $1500-$1700 I expect a title unless it's a highly desirable model.
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I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread, it has been a HUGE help to me in learning what to look for and what the value is of certain scoots. I'm very fortunate to have access to such a knowledgeable group of scooter enthusiasts. Thanks for being so patient with me! haha Eyelashes emoticon
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Oh shit! How far is Mo from Tx? Coz I'd be all over this. http://scoot.net/classifieds/forsale.html?id=34975
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Oh shit! How far is Mo from Tx? Coz I'd be all over this. http://scoot.net/classifieds/forsale.html?id=34975
That is the deal of the day.

I'd be all over that like a fart in a car.
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That 72 Primavera is a beauty. Too expensive, but its a nice ass bike from the pix.
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Oh shit! How far is Mo from Tx? Coz I'd be all over this. http://scoot.net/classifieds/forsale.html?id=34975
That is the deal of the day.

I'd be all over that like a fart in a car.
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agree with scootermarc69 & Jimmy
1978 Vespa 50 Special w/ 125cc PK engine + "Included with sale: extra parts, spare tire, and file folder full of receipts... (including 60+mph speeding ticket)." @1500 seems reasonable to me if it checks out. Not a bargain, but reasonable. A good PK125 motor hauls balls & is worth most of that, I think.

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That bike is worth every penny and then some. It is one of the most powerfull small frame motors made and is mounted in a beautiful smooth frame. I am sure it is all there and a no brainer.

It is not a scooterboy bike and the proof is clear. He stuck a stock pk125 with a stock 19 carb and a stock banana pipe.

This is the perfect person to buy a bike from. He has done all the hard work and is selling at a good price a bike that someone can get there tinkering rocks off doing small things like clutch, tires, cleaning, you get the idea.

And I bet you could talk him down a bit, not that I would.
That's an honest good deal.
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It's a really cool bike, too bad it's 13 hours away!

I'm talking to the guy from san antonio, I kinda let him know in advance 2300 is a little steep, even the Kelley Blue Book value of an excellent condition 70s primmy is only about $1600. (That way if I do decide to make an offer, the shock isn't going to result in me driving back from San Antonio empty handed.)
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It's a really cool bike, too bad it's 13 hours away!
What kinda gas mileage does you car get?

Go get that 50s with the pk motor Kama.
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My first bike was 11 hours away. Vespretta and I did the trip to NC and back to NJ in the same day. Talk about a killer drive.
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My first bike was 11 hours away. Vespretta and I did the trip to NC and back to NJ in the same day. Talk about a killer drive.
It's why God invented speed.
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I wish I could, but there would just be no way I could do a 13 hour trip. I don't own a truck, so I'd be borrowing someone else's.. it's just not do-able.


San Antonio guy got back with me he said $1700 is way too low, and that "I really don't need to sell it so makes no difference to me if you decide you don't want it."

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I could be there in 27 hours, but it would cost me $465 gas. Each way. That $2800 ET3 is looking more reasonable all the time. Good thing I need a scooter like a hole in the head.
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