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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:22:04 +0000 linkquote
Hey all,

I'm preping my 67 GT for CBR 2012. I'm considering adding a windshield but would like to hear the pros and cons.

So far I figured that it will be a little more comfort, but I am used to long distance rides without one, I wear a FF helmet, and I'm not bad at riding full tuck. I am concerned with a drop in top end.

As far as looks....don't care...praticality is the key!

Thanks all!

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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:04:15 +0000 linkquote
I think your experience will depend a lot with what type of windshield you'll be mounting.

I put a regular oem Vespa windshield on my PX and rode a fair distance like that.

The reason I put it on was partly because someone told me the top end would be better and there would be less wind and noise for me sitting behind it. The other reason was that it provided a nice place to mount my roadbook holder and stickers.





The verdict: It does give a little extra top end. Maybe 5km/h. It's also pretty usefull riding into a strong headwind. But it also creates a lot of turbulence around my helmet. There's *more* noise from the wind passing around my helmet with this windshield mounted than without.

The problem is that the windshield pushes the wind up towards my chin and neck instead of passing by my upper body. I suppose there's less drag that way, but it made it uncomfortable riding with an open helmet.

Using a full face helmet was fine, though. A little more noise, but fine.

If that windshield had been 10cm taller or so, I'd say it was perfect. I think there are some un-original windshields that are a little taller.
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:03:14 +0000 linkquote
Great link-Thanks

I've mounted a cut down Faco P-PX shield on my 2012 CBR Rally. The hardest part is locating a suitable windscreen for the older "classic" Vespas. As for the aerodynamics, it seems to help, and I'm reassessing using a front mounted rack since it would probably add drag.
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:14:09 +0000 linkquote
Thanks Magg

Ginch...that link rocks!

OK...so I'm going to give it a try

Vintage Mod Flyscreen from Scooterwest....would have thought I would get a break on shipping since I'm bringing it back there!




My favorite part of the description"

Installation instructions NOT included
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:47:25 +0000 linkquote
Well on my P2 I have one on just during the colder months it's the old big full shield and it it works as it should by making it more comfortable to ride in that climate. On the other hand it does slow me down about 5mph. And it a is like a sail. I will be taking it off soon. Hope this helps. Brian
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:47:51 +0000 linkquote
I have the huge windscreen - In the winter it makes rides bearable and you can actually talk to your passengers because it reduces wind noise.

On the negative - there's no way to peek above the shield. When it rains and drops start accumulating, it's hard to see. It also reduces my top speed about 5mph.

I have a small fly screen. If you tuck, it reduces wind noise, and you gain about 5mph to your top speed. However, tucking in on long rides tires your arms out.

I have yet to experience the half-height one but it seems to be a good bet.
I might cut down my large windshield to half height.
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:22:53 +0000 linkquote
Windshileds are naff & are for old men & mods . . . period . .
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:32:25 +0000 linkquote
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Windshileds are naff & are for old men & mods . . . period . .
There's the voice of reason I know and love...
+ on ya brother.
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:37:08 +0000 linkquote
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nebulae wrote:
Windshileds are naff & are for old men & mods . . . period . .
There's the voice of reason I know and love...
+ on ya brother.


It's true . . . windshields . . .? ? . . . come on . .!!!
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:49:43 +0000 linkquote
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Windshileds are naff & are for old men & mods . . . period . .
The subject of the aerodynamics lesson is this guy, Paul McIntosh.



You can read about the Dry Lake Racer project here - http://www.vespalabs.org/User:Internetscooter/Scooters/Dry_Lake_Racer
Not really an old man or a mod.

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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:52:10 +0000 linkquote
nebulae wrote:
Vader19 wrote:
nebulae wrote:
Windshileds are naff & are for old men & mods . . . period . .
There's the voice of reason I know and love...
+ on ya brother.


It's true . . . windshields . . .? ? . . . come on . .!!!
I actually agree..but in this case if I gain a few mph...I don't care what it looks like!
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:14:30 +0000 linkquote
Ginch wrote:
nebulae wrote:
Windshileds are naff & are for old men & mods . . . period . .
The subject of the aerodynamics lesson is this guy, Paul McIntosh.



You can read about the Dry Lake Racer project here - http://www.vespalabs.org/User:Internetscooter/Scooters/Dry_Lake_Racer
Not really an old man or a mod.

Period.
I'm not talkin' about going to the salt flats, w/ a kdx top end and a Turbo Charger... I suppose if I do, I'll have to try a windshield, but until then, I'll go plenty fast around these Chicago streets without one
Copy that... can't argue with science..... I guess.
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:25:25 +0000 linkquote
I can definitely see the use for one int he winter months, and I may get one as well eventually. I mentioned it to my wife and she said: "What?...my grandfather had a windscreen on his Vespa..." and gave me the look!
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:26:17 +0000 linkquote
Oh come on . . . !!
Vespas aren't about mph . . . they don't produce top speed per se.
If you want top speed, get a kitted engine . . go the full hog - do it blindly.
Get a big bore . . .
To quote a guy who fits a flyscreen who races scoots . . thats different.
That guy is competing to beat the rest . .
I'm obviously talking to guys in the US here.
In the UK, flyscreens go with lights, racks & mirrors . . . & they're not built for speed . . . more akin to mod style & fashion.
Theres obviously a big "trend" difference between the "big ocean" between us . . .
Here in the UK . . . flyscreens are for mods.
"Windscreens" are what old men fitted to their vespas.
You want speed . . . theres better & more "cooth" ways to do it.

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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:27:02 +0000 linkquote
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I can definitely see the use for one int he winter months, and I may get one as well eventually. I mentioned it to my wife and she said: "What?...my grandfather had a windscreen on his Vespa..." and gave me the look!
Point made . . .
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:32:41 +0000 linkquote
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nebulae wrote:
Vader19 wrote:
nebulae wrote:
Windshileds are naff & are for old men & mods . . . period . .
There's the voice of reason I know and love...
+ on ya brother.


It's true . . . windshields . . .? ? . . . come on . .!!!
I actually agree..but in this case if I gain a few mph...I don't care what it looks like!
Buy a Honda Melody . . . kit it with the biggest big bore you can find that can beat any vespa you know . . . then tell me you don't care what what it looks like . . . . vespas with stupid "windshields" border on the stupid "old man moped" mentality scenario . . .
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:37:23 +0000 linkquote
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Point made . . .
I do agree with its functionality, but I don't ride it in the winter enough to warrant attaining a screen.
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:37:34 +0000 linkquote
nebulae wrote:
ScooterRaton wrote:
nebulae wrote:
Vader19 wrote:
nebulae wrote:
Windshileds are naff & are for old men & mods . . . period . .
There's the voice of reason I know and love...
+ on ya brother.


It's true . . . windshields . . .? ? . . . come on . .!!!
I actually agree..but in this case if I gain a few mph...I don't care what it looks like!
Buy a Honda Melody . . . kit it with the biggest big bore you can find that can beat any vespa you know . . . then tell me you don't care what what it looks like . . . . vespas with stupid "windshields" border on the stupid "old man moped" mentality scenario . . .
I don't like 'em and won't be getting one any time soon, but Neb... apparently you HATE WINDSHIELDS ! ! ! I love it.
I HATE OLD PEOPLE... maybe we can start a club...






kidding, I am old people these days.
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:48:33 +0000 linkquote
Vader . . . I'm old too . . . hittin 45 years old this year . . . but still holding on to my "UK scooterboy" non-mod scooter attitude . . . i like my standard Piaggio big bad boy 1970's style Rally 200 . . . not a mirror, rack or windshield in site . . . but under the hood . . . thats comng . . . got my reed block under my standard carb box just now . . . you know why . . . big kit next year once i've run my brand new engine in that i built inside my femas casings . . windshields / flyscreens . . . bollox . . .
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:49:27 +0000 linkquote
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I'm not talkin' about going to the salt flats, w/ a kdx top end and a Turbo Charger... I suppose if I do, I'll have to try a windshield, but until then, I'll go plenty fast around these Chicago streets without one
Copy that... can't argue with science..... I guess.
Vader until fairly recently that bike was a regular, if not daily rider.
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Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:51:46 +0000 linkquote
Ginch wrote:
Vader19 wrote:
I'm not talkin' about going to the salt flats, w/ a kdx top end and a Turbo Charger... I suppose if I do, I'll have to try a windshield, but until then, I'll go plenty fast around these Chicago streets without one
Copy that... can't argue with science..... I guess.
Vader until fairly recently that bike was a regular, if not daily rider.
Well he definitely kicked it up a few notches
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Fri, 30 Mar 2012 04:31:43 +0000 linkquote
Vader19 wrote:
nebulae wrote:
ScooterRaton wrote:
nebulae wrote:
Vader19 wrote:
nebulae wrote:
Windshileds are naff & are for old men & mods . . . period . .
There's the voice of reason I know and love...
+ on ya brother.


It's true . . . windshields . . .? ? . . . come on . .!!!
I actually agree..but in this case if I gain a few mph...I don't care what it looks like!
Buy a Honda Melody . . . kit it with the biggest big bore you can find that can beat any vespa you know . . . then tell me you don't care what what it looks like . . . . vespas with stupid "windshields" border on the stupid "old man moped" mentality scenario . . .
I don't like 'em and won't be getting one any time soon, but Neb... apparently you HATE WINDSHIELDS ! ! ! I love it.
I HATE OLD PEOPLE... maybe we can start a club...






kidding, I am old people these days.
can i join the club, i am hittin 30 this may does that make me old enough to join in and yes i dont like windshield as well and i am short enough to hide behind my sprint veloce giant headlamp perfectly to avoid the wind that will distrube the aerodynamic

have a nice day and cheer
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I think some have missed that I'm prepping this scoot for the CBR

It IS heavily modified

83 P125 motor
HEAVILY ported Malossi 166
Mazzy cut crank
P200 tree
P200 clutch (will be installing Cosa with CF plates and MMW basket)
fast flow fuel tap
custom expansion chamber.
etc...etc...etc...

In this case it IS about speed! I've got over 3,000 miles on this build it's a solid set up. And no...it hasn't been done "blindly"

I wasn't trying to start any flame war I was just looking for some info
Thank you to those that provided it!

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If the windshield prevents you from tucking as much as you would otherwise, chances are it's not helping.

One place it can help is if you can get all your gadgets behind it so they are not out in the wind.

At high speeds I tend to use how much I tuck to control my speed more than the throttle.
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If the windshield prevents you from tucking as much as you would otherwise, chances are it's not helping.

One place it can help is if you can get all your gadgets behind it so they are not out in the wind.

At high speeds I tend to use how much I tuck to control my speed more than the throttle.
I think this is a case where I'm going to have to try it and see.

Good point that I can get my GPS behind it.

My EGT and CHT are on the mirror stalks in bullet shells. I like them there because I can glance easily at them there without looking down.

I,m fitting a new seat, I have a SF seat on there now so I'll just have to do a preload and see how low I can go! I'm also using a flat rack so I might be able to slide my but back another inch or 2.

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can i see the bike mate
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can i see the bike mate



Don't look at my feet!



Wanna go for a ride?

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If the windshield prevents you from tucking as much as you would otherwise, chances are it's not helping.

One place it can help is if you can get all your gadgets behind it so they are not out in the wind.

At high speeds I tend to use how much I tuck to control my speed more than the throttle.
So from your post I take it you are not a fan of wond shields. Am I correct?

EDIT: aside from the gadget protection?
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What is up with the nintendo music? I think I'm gonna puke.
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What is up with the nintendo music? I think I'm gonna puke.
The music is "WOW! It's Scootercar Sex Kitten" by Bill Nelson. I thought it was appropriate, it's my video and I like it!

You have a volume button and probably a mute button

You know...I thought I started this thread out with a reasonable question but it's headed to BBS land.
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I think some have missed that I'm prepping this scoot for the CBR

It IS heavily modified
Well, then I think you'd definately want a windshield. Better aerodynamics and lower fuel consumption.

It's going to be the fuel stops that slow you down, not your top speed.

Just curious, why are you using all those tuning parts? I'm thinking you'll have to stop and fill up quite often with a setup like that..
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a not so normal vbb2 '64, a weirdo vbx '86, a not so normal pts100 '82 and a yellow sunshine '74 sprint
Joined: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:12:19 +0000
Posts: 5786
Location: Indo
Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:23:55 +0000 linkquote
ScooterRaton wrote:
koenig blues wrote:
can i see the bike mate



Don't look at my feet!



Wanna go for a ride?

awesome bike and that rat look cool mate

have a nice weekend and cheer
Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:36:02 +0000

Veni, Vidi, Posti
px200 cutdown,px180,px150. Puch SR. Puch scooterette
Joined: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:40:28 +0000
Posts: 5109
Location: west aus
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
px200 cutdown,px180,px150. Puch SR. Puch scooterette
Joined: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:40:28 +0000
Posts: 5109
Location: west aus
Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:36:02 +0000 linkquote
ha


ive been wondering the same


looking at the smaller flyscreens for long freeway rides
Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:38:54 +0000

Ossessionato
2 - Many
Joined: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:03:33 +0000
Posts: 3157
Location: Boca Raton, Florida
 
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2 - Many
Joined: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:03:33 +0000
Posts: 3157
Location: Boca Raton, Florida
Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:38:54 +0000 linkquote
Magg wrote:
ScooterRaton wrote:
I think some have missed that I'm prepping this scoot for the CBR

It IS heavily modified
Well, then I think you'd definately want a windshield. Better aerodynamics and lower fuel consumption.

It's going to be the fuel stops that slow you down, not your top speed.

Just curious, why are you using all those tuning parts? I'm thinking you'll have to stop and fill up quite often with a setup like that..
Well for one thing it IS fast and it handles great (upgraded suspension all around and CS mounts.)

I was building a bike but I got sent out of country for work last August. Most of that scooter is in ziplok bags (labeled of course!)

I'm flying in on the 14th prepping the scooter, running the CBR and then bailing in either SD or Flagstaff to return to Ramallah

I don't have much time for prep so I'm going with the most reliable scoot that needs the least amount of work. I'll be mounting a 1.5 gallon tour tank for extra fuel to eliminate some of the stops.

I was looking to be competitive, I may still be, but my main goal is to finish!

I know it's not much prep time...but if I blow up my motor I blow up my motor and finish with the support team!

I'd LOVE to ride my 68 SS180 but it's just too nice and too rare a scooter to subject to the CBR! Nothing like it when that piston ported hits the sweet spot!

www.teamscootertrash.com
Fri, 30 Mar 2012 08:01:59 +0000

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Joined: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:03:33 +0000
Posts: 3157
Location: Boca Raton, Florida
 
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2 - Many
Joined: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:03:33 +0000
Posts: 3157
Location: Boca Raton, Florida
Fri, 30 Mar 2012 08:01:59 +0000 linkquote
koenig blues wrote:
awesome bike and that rat look cool mate

have a nice weekend and cheer
Thanks

Keep your rally photos coming....I love em!
   

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