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For those who wish to crunch numbers:

FWIW, the apparent camera angle using the top of the column relative to a point 4566 feet away from the base of the building is 31 degrees down from horizontal. One could readily determine the actual camera angle relative to the top of the tower itself by measuring how much the photo makes the circular top surface appear to be elliptical(not that bored yet).

Using Cruise's "neat hair" is meaningless, as there are definitely hair sprays that can keep a star looking un-mussed. BTW, the prevailing winds there are from his back (N thru NW).

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I have a bit of experience with aerial photography and interpretation, helicopters and flying conditions in that neighborhood. The first two may have made some technological advances since my day, but the third remains the same.

Again, FWIW, typical winds in the afternoon (sun is in the west) in the area at 2,500 feet are 15-25 kts. That would put a helo trying to hover constantly in and out of translational lift, and thus very unstable in both pitch and yaw axes. More likely, this shot was made from a slow (30 - 35kt) airspeed. The gyro would pan the camera to hold the foreground in frame, and the further the item is in the distance, the more the image would be blurred. You be the judge.

I am not arguing whether or not Cruise sat where he sat. I am more than willing to bet a bottle of Paros Reserve that the top picture has been subjected to some measure of digital "enhancement", even if just to improve the actor's "visibility" in the pic. I do lean somewhat towards it being a merged picture of a real foreground with a photogenically better background.
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Good point on shadow interpretation. The confusing point is that since the picture is 2D, it looks as if the left leg is against the column, which upon second look at pic 2, it is clearly not so and not possibly so. One has to look at pic 2 to see that the "box" he's sitting on extends further out from the wall of the column than it appears in pic 1. I missed that completely until you provided your graphic.

Thanks.

Now, what about depth of field and angular parallax of a gyro stabilized camera?
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I am not arguing whether or not Cruise sat where he sat. I am more than willing to bet a bottle of Paros Reserve that the top picture has been subjected to some measure of digital "enhancement", even if just to improve the actor's "visibility" in the pic. I do lean somewhat towards it being a merged picture of a real foreground with a photogenically better background.
To quote Dan Rather's infamous statement: Fake, but accurate.

And to the objection of being skeptical: yep, I am skeptic. Bridgman is only the latest example of near Hollywood grade special effects coming out of home PCs.

Skeptic does not mean conspiracy theorist. There is gold in fort Knox, the grassy knoll is just a hill, and Black Helicopters are black helicopters.

I am going to adopt Missouri as my place of birth.
Show me.

Ps. Agree with the photo depth of field. Although, with digital 128000 ISO and full sunlight, I think I might be able to retain decent apature even with a 3000mm equiv. lens.
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I have a bit of experience with aerial photography and interpretation, helicopters and flying conditions in that neighborhood. The first two may have made some technological advances since my day, but the third remains the same.
They shot the stunt scenes for a major Hollywood picture from that very helicopter. How do you think they stabilized the camera?
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I have a bit of experience with aerial photography and interpretation, helicopters and flying conditions in that neighborhood. The first two may have made some technological advances since my day, but the third remains the same.
They shot the stunt scenes for a major Hollywood picture from that very helicopter. How do you think they stabilized the camera?
Read my comment. A moving helicopter with a gyro stabilized camera system can focus and hold frame quite well at "close range". However, to do so, the camera must "pan" to accommodate specific axial movements - the gyro does not have total spherical freedom of movement in space. Thus the area in frame and focus is kept in frame and focus, however, objects one or two miles further away will suffer angular parallax. I've flown a stabilized camera to shoot the Chicago skyline as the back drop for both stills and video for a Navy P3 Orion, and another shoot of a hovering and flying UH-60 Blackhawk. The flying shots, of course, predicated the skyline moving behind the Orion and were simple. The hovering shots required holding the background "stable", and thus calculations to establish stand off from both the Black Hawk and from the skyline to minimize vibrational and "panning" blur in stills. One technique was to simply use a shortened depth of field so that the "blur" was omnidirectional and visually coherent. I realize that modern equipment has better resolution, but the effect is still present to some degree.

The modest lack of definition in the far background of the pic 1 appears to be more a result of "grain" than depth of field or angular parallax, which would lead one to suspect the 'merged" pics, which make more sense in the field of public relations. Shoot Cruise at optimal focus, aperture and shutter speed, then shoot the city at optimal settings for a nice depth of field and clarity. A picture of Cruise over a city that is visually unrecognizable would set off an equally robust debate. Nothing any more "dishonest" than using a bit of color or contrast correction, cropping, etc, which is not dishonest at all in my book.

BTW, video can be quite readily stabilized digitally after the fact, as the frames change faster than the eye can differentiate. Still photography is a bit more complex to "sharpen" after the fact.
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Until someone comes up with some corroborating information about the shoot itself, y'all are just pissing in the wind.

Prove it's false. Don't speculate. Don't be as lame as every other armchair quarterback on the internet. Go out and find the actual evidence.
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Awesome.
Absolutely agree.

Kinda reminds me of something my Uncle Sal, the family sage would say (and I merely paraphrase:

Accept nothing blindly, unless it's a large quantity, small denominations, well circulated, free of any marks and non-sequentially numbered.
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Al, your premise seems to boil down to "photography isn't capable of capturing a sharp picture under those conditions from a helicopter".

Is that correct?
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Al, your premise seems to boil down to "photography isn't capable of capturing a sharp picture under those conditions from a helicopter".

Is that correct?
No, I rarely offer absolutes. My premise is that it's would be quite difficult, and much more readily accomplished with a bit of digital workmanship. I ascribed no "dishonesty" to a composite shoot. Just a form of "artistic adjustment".

And thanks for the video. Turns out Cruise was just another tourist at a run of the mill tourist trap!
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And thanks for the video. Turns out Cruise was just another tourist at a run of the mill tourist trap!
Maybe that one was faked, too. I mean, you just never know.
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And thanks for the video. Turns out Cruise was just another tourist at a run of the mill tourist trap!
Maybe that one was faked, too. I mean, you just never know.
Hey, I'm sure there are people who believed those cut and paste pictures of Armstrong. Laughing emoticon Laughing emoticon
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And thanks for the video. Turns out Cruise was just another tourist at a run of the mill tourist trap!
Maybe that one was faked, too. I mean, you just never know.
Nope, the shadows all line up. Laughing emoticon
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I think the photoshop questions are coming from the side that they placed Tom in the picture. Having dated many supermodels and marrying one, I can tell you almost every published picture has gone through photoshop to achieve a desirable effect, accuracy be damned..

I believe Tom sat on top of the building. I believe there is a harness holding him there that if we're visible has been shopped out. I believe his hair might have blown a bit out of place, but was again fixed in post production. Shadows are added and taken away for effect, foregrounds sharpened, etc.

The shadows may be wrong, but that doesn't mean it's not him.
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I can tell you almost every published picture has gone through photoshop to achieve a desirable effect, accuracy be damned..
so why didn't they make him a little bit bigger while they were at it?

PS I'm just bitter because I'm not handsome or rich. On the plus side no-one suggests I sit in crazy places for publicity shots. Judging by this thread the shot did it's job. Wasn't impressed by the film but then I didn't expect to be.
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I don't care if the photo has been...enhanced or not, as long as it is a photo image of Cruise actually sitting where it appears he is. I don't even care if there was a hidden safety harness on him at the time, it's still an effing nightmare for me to imagine doing that sort of thing. Even with a harness, I would have the top of that thing so pooped-up it would look like a statue of a civil war general after a pidgeon convention was held on it...then I would slip and fall.

Nothing in this world scares me as much as doing something like this. I remain impressed.

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And thanks for the video. Turns out Cruise was just another tourist at a run of the mill tourist trap!
Maybe that one was faked, too. I mean, you just never know.
Nope, the shadows all line up. Laughing emoticon
That just proves that these guys have better CGI skills than the MI4 team.
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the wind would blow him off at that hight.
There's no wind on the moon.
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Skid mark inspector?

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That's why whales strand. The mommy whales for got to say - Just because Sami swam up onto a sandy beach does that mean you should?

Forget the sonar theory this is the answer.
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There's no wind on the moon.
There is in Antarctica!
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