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Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:18 am linkquote
Will watch with interest and order once consensus emerges as to source and best practices. Looks like install, use, and remove.

At what interval?

No notch signs here at just under 6000 miles, but I'd just as soon stay ahead of this if at all possible. Just didn't want to tear bearings apart to check/renew grease. Seems like something I'm willing to do on my old Beetle, but hoping for something a little more sophisticated on my 21st century Italian beauty...

This thread presents very welcome news....

Thanks all --
Michael
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:23 am

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:23 am linkquote
I have four of the ones MJM50cal made, I am willing to sell 3.
PM me.

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:25 am linkquote
mplkn wrote:
Will watch with interest and order once consensus emerges as to source and best practices. Looks like install, use, and remove.

At what interval?

No notch signs here at just under 6000 miles, but I'd just as soon stay ahead of this if at all possible. Just didn't want to tear bearings apart to check/renew grease. Seems like something I'm willing to do on my old Beetle, but hoping for something a little more sophisticated on my 21st century Italian beauty...

This thread presents very welcome news....

Thanks all --
Michael
mplkn
once you do the initial grease on each, then a few pumps at each oil change should do fine on each bolt location. Been doing that for the last year+ and about 10,000 miles.

Disclaimer, I do oil changes every 3k, also have the mjm bolts installed. But I am thinking of removing and reinstalling the oem bolts. Can't make my mind up.
Wed May 23, 2012 9:00 pm

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Wed May 23, 2012 9:00 pm linkquote
I finally stopped procrastinating today and applied some marine grade bearing grease to my MP3. I ignored the grease bolt torque setting, but reapplied the OEM bolts to the 45-50 NM spec.

It was fairly straight forward; easy as hell. The most difficult part was getting the damn thing on my ramp. When I tried to ride one wheel up, the ramp would just scoot across the garage floor (scuffing up the epoxy coating, of course). After a few attempts, I just said screw it and leaned it over, locked the suspension, straightened it up and pushed it over the ramps. A little back and forth with the tilt lock and it looked like I had ridden it right up.

After getting my shop to set the correct torque setting a few weeks ago, I should be good to go for a long while now.

If anyone out there is holding off and has a zerk bolt hanging around, it's seriously easy, stop procrastinating.
Thu May 24, 2012 9:24 am

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Thu May 24, 2012 9:24 am linkquote
Cagedodger wrote:
I finally stopped procrastinating today and applied some marine grade bearing grease to my MP3. I ignored the grease bolt torque setting, but reapplied the OEM bolts to the 45-50 NM spec.

It was fairly straight forward; easy as hell. The most difficult part was getting the damn thing on my ramp. When I tried to ride one wheel up, the ramp would just scoot across the garage floor (scuffing up the epoxy coating, of course). After a few attempts, I just said screw it and leaned it over, locked the suspension, straightened it up and pushed it over the ramps. A little back and forth with the tilt lock and it looked like I had ridden it right up.

After getting my shop to set the correct torque setting a few weeks ago, I should be good to go for a long while now.

If anyone out there is holding off and has a zerk bolt hanging around, it's seriously easy, stop procrastinating.
You still have to take the front bodywork off first, don't you?
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Thu May 24, 2012 9:44 am linkquote
norCal Randy wrote:
Cagedodger wrote:
I finally stopped procrastinating today and applied some marine grade bearing grease to my MP3. I ignored the grease bolt torque setting, but reapplied the OEM bolts to the 45-50 NM spec.

It was fairly straight forward; easy as hell. The most difficult part was getting the damn thing on my ramp. When I tried to ride one wheel up, the ramp would just scoot across the garage floor (scuffing up the epoxy coating, of course). After a few attempts, I just said screw it and leaned it over, locked the suspension, straightened it up and pushed it over the ramps. A little back and forth with the tilt lock and it looked like I had ridden it right up.

After getting my shop to set the correct torque setting a few weeks ago, I should be good to go for a long while now.

If anyone out there is holding off and has a zerk bolt hanging around, it's seriously easy, stop procrastinating.
You still have to take the front bodywork off first, don't you?
Not at all!
Thu May 24, 2012 9:48 am

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Thu May 24, 2012 9:48 am linkquote
Ride over a shovel, lock steering; put on center stand. Now release steering lock, prop wheel up with shovel, and push steering lock button. Grease, release lock, relock steering lock, roll off stand. MOVE SHOVEL...repeat.
Thu May 24, 2012 10:00 am

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Thu May 24, 2012 10:00 am linkquote
Does it have to be a metric shovel? :)
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Thu May 24, 2012 10:16 am linkquote
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Does it have to be a metric shovel?
Silly!
Thu May 24, 2012 10:39 am

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Thu May 24, 2012 10:39 am linkquote
G03 wrote:
Ride over a shovel, lock steering; put on center stand. Now release steering lock, prop wheel up with shovel, and push steering lock button. Grease, release lock, relock steering lock, roll off stand. MOVE SHOVEL...repeat.
That actually sounds more complicated than what I did.

No bodywork needed removing at all to add the grease. It's seriously simple.
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Thu May 24, 2012 10:51 am linkquote
Cagedodger wrote:
G03 wrote:
Ride over a shovel, lock steering; put on center stand. Now release steering lock, prop wheel up with shovel, and push steering lock button. Grease, release lock, relock steering lock, roll off stand. MOVE SHOVEL...repeat.
That actually sounds more complicated than what I did.

No bodywork needed removing at all to add the grease. It's seriously simple.
I either have a monster torque wrench (most likely culprit) or my spatial abilities and reasoning are seriously degraded because while I could easily do the bottom bolts w/o removing the side panels just by releasing the tilt lock and putting the bike on the center stand, no way could I get enough ratcheting movement on the wrench, much less get the fitting on the end of the grease gun (mine is one of the 90-degree jobs) without pulling off the front panels and going through the sides of the tubular frame for the top bolts. Even so, it was at best a 15-minute job from start to finish.

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Thu May 24, 2012 10:53 am linkquote
wildblue wrote:
Cagedodger wrote:
G03 wrote:
Ride over a shovel, lock steering; put on center stand. Now release steering lock, prop wheel up with shovel, and push steering lock button. Grease, release lock, relock steering lock, roll off stand. MOVE SHOVEL...repeat.
That actually sounds more complicated than what I did.

No bodywork needed removing at all to add the grease. It's seriously simple.
I either have a monster torque wrench (most likely culprit) or my spatial abilities and reasoning are seriously degraded because while I could easily do the bottom bolts w/o removing the side panels just by releasing the tilt lock and putting the bike on the center stand, but no way could I get enough ratcheting movement on the wrench without pulling off the front panels and going through the sides of the tubular frame for the top bolts. Even so, it was at best a 15-minute job from start to finish.
Were your articulating the front end as far as it would go?
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Thu May 24, 2012 10:55 am linkquote
StooterBoy wrote:
Were your articulating the front end as far as it would go?
Sorry man, not sure I follow your question...articulating what in particular; the vertical suspension? If so, no...and maybe that had something to do with it too. Is it possible to get the top bearing down lown enough to clear the bottom edge of the tubular frame?
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Thu May 24, 2012 10:58 am linkquote
G03 wrote:
Ride over a shovel, lock steering; put on center stand. Now release steering lock, prop wheel up with shovel, and push steering lock button. Grease, release lock, relock steering lock, roll off stand. MOVE SHOVEL...repeat.
I just ride one front wheel on a curb.
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Thu May 24, 2012 11:02 am linkquote
wildblue wrote:
StooterBoy wrote:
Were your articulating the front end as far as it would go?
Sorry man, not sure I follow your question...articulating what in particular; the vertical suspension? If so, no...and maybe that had something to do with it too. Is it possible to get the top bearing down lown enough to clear the bottom edge of the tubular frame?
Yes very close to below the frame.
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Thu May 24, 2012 11:04 am linkquote
StooterBoy wrote:
wildblue wrote:
StooterBoy wrote:
Were your articulating the front end as far as it would go?
Sorry man, not sure I follow your question...articulating what in particular; the vertical suspension? If so, no...and maybe that had something to do with it too. Is it possible to get the top bearing down lown enough to clear the bottom edge of the tubular frame?
Yes very close to below the frame.
Gotcha; I'll try it out next time then...thanks.
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Thu May 24, 2012 5:36 pm linkquote
Dooglas wrote:
Great that Cheeky posted this new tech note to the wiki (and great that I already got the greasebolts from mjm - thanks again). This discussion caused me to look at the wiki and I noticed that tech note 19-2010 (the one about the preload adjustment) never made it to the wiki. Maybe Cheeky or someone else with access to the Piaggio materials could touch that base (for the good of the order).
Does anyone have access to the 19-2010 note so that I can properly 'torque' the top of the steering tubes?

I have ordered new bearings and when i install them (when i figure out how) i want to have it done correctly so that the notch does not rear it's head again.


THANKS ALL!
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Thu May 24, 2012 6:02 pm linkquote
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Dooglas wrote:
Great that Cheeky posted this new tech note to the wiki (and great that I already got the greasebolts from mjm - thanks again). This discussion caused me to look at the wiki and I noticed that tech note 19-2010 (the one about the preload adjustment) never made it to the wiki. Maybe Cheeky or someone else with access to the Piaggio materials could touch that base (for the good of the order).
Does anyone have access to the 19-2010 note so that I can properly 'torque' the top of the steering tubes?

I have ordered new bearings and when i install them (when i figure out how) i want to have it done correctly so that the notch does not rear it's head again.


THANKS ALL!
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Fri May 25, 2012 3:00 am linkquote
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Dooglas wrote:
Great that Cheeky posted this new tech note to the wiki (and great that I already got the greasebolts from mjm - thanks again). This discussion caused me to look at the wiki and I noticed that tech note 19-2010 (the one about the preload adjustment) never made it to the wiki. Maybe Cheeky or someone else with access to the Piaggio materials could touch that base (for the good of the order).
Does anyone have access to the 19-2010 note so that I can properly 'torque' the top of the steering tubes?

I have ordered new bearings and when i install them (when i figure out how) i want to have it done correctly so that the notch does not rear it's head again.


THANKS ALL!
First thing you need to do if you're going to replace the front end bearings, get the manual and downloaded and find the torque specs in it.
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:07 am linkquote
Does anyone have any of these grease fitting bolts for sale? It's beginning to look like the ones I ordered fell off the boat on the way over, I think it's been almost 6 weeks now.
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:07 pm linkquote
How nice of Piaggio to side step the issue of recall and just put it as a service bulletin update. No guilt or liability. I wounder if they will ever get around to a service update to the oil blow-by issue.

You think if all of us who paid the $1000 for the bearing replacements over the years will get a free one? If we ask nicely! Oh...I am so done with this bike! I can't wait to get mine back from the shop with a piston replacement just to sell it. It will be like a new bike to the next owner...

Half the total cost of ownership is repairs.
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Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:05 pm linkquote
500razorback wrote:
How nice of Piaggio to side step the issue of recall and just put it as a service bulletin update. No guilt or liability. I wounder if they will ever get around to a service update to the oil blow-by issue.

You think if all of us who paid the $1000 for the bearing replacements over the years will get a free one? If we ask nicely! Oh...I am so done with this bike! I can't wait to get mine back from the shop with a piston replacement just to sell it. It will be like a new bike to the next owner...

Half the total cost of ownership is repairs.
I was going to comment but decided not to out of respect for others.
Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:36 pm

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Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:36 pm linkquote
In the absence of availability, we've made our own version of these. We've had a lot of calls for them referencing this thread, so I thought I would post here.

http://www.scooterwest.com/items/?_pageCCS=t#page=/item_details/Tool-for-Lubricating-MP3-Fork-Bearings/9413
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:58 pm linkquote
Motorsport Scooters wrote:
In the absence of availability, we've made our own version of these. We've had a lot of calls for them referencing this thread, so I thought I would post here.

http://www.scooterwest.com/items/?_pageCCS=t#page=/item_details/Tool-for-Lubricating-MP3-Fork-Bearings/9413
That's got to be one of the most responsive bits of customer service/commitment I've seen in a long, LONG time...bravo! I can also speak from experience for anyone who's never dealt with Scooterwest before that these guys know their stuff, are friendly to deal with, and will take good care of you and your MP3 needs!
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:33 pm linkquote
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In the absence of availability, we've made our own version of these. We've had a lot of calls for them referencing this thread, so I thought I would post here.

http://www.scooterwest.com/items/?_pageCCS=t#page=/item_details/Tool-for-Lubricating-MP3-Fork-Bearings/9413
Bravo for stepping up and making these for folks. a big thumbs up to you guys.
Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:10 pm

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Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:10 pm linkquote
for Motorsport Scooters

Next how about making some Fuzzy Washers so they can be available from someone in the business of selling things?
Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:07 pm

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Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:07 pm linkquote
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for Motorsport Scooters

Next how about making some Fuzzy Washers so they can be available from someone in the business of selling things?
If you can get me the specs you need, we may have something.
Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:09 pm

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Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:09 pm linkquote
Just remember these are just temporary grease fittings. The bolts are not strong enough to stay installed.

Max, to cover Motorsports ass you should add that to the online description.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:25 am linkquote
14perry wrote:
Just remember these are just temporary grease fittings. The bolts are not strong enough to stay installed.
As it has yet to be published what the actual purpose of these bolts really is, can we really say "They won't be strong enough'.......???


.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:44 am linkquote
+1 on thanks to Motorsport Scooters for fabbing those bolts. Won't Piaggio be upset that you're not asking 10 times that price?
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:47 am linkquote
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+1 on thanks to Motorsport Scooters for fabbing those bolts. Won't Piaggio be upset that you're not asking 10 times that price?
Maybe, but our primary concern was what you guys thought about the price.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:48 am linkquote
14perry wrote:
Just remember these are just temporary grease fittings. The bolts are not strong enough to stay installed.

Max, to cover Motorsports ass you should add that to the online description.
Good idea. I'll change it just in case.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:23 am linkquote
I contacted Scooterwest about the grease fittings a couple of days ago, and they sent me a link to order them. I just came on here to post it and it looks like they already beat me to it
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:31 am linkquote
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Motorsport Scooters wrote:
In the absence of availability, we've made our own version of these. We've had a lot of calls for them referencing this thread, so I thought I would post here.

http://www.scooterwest.com/items/?_pageCCS=t#page=/item_details/Tool-for-Lubricating-MP3-Fork-Bearings/9413
Bravo for stepping up and making these for folks. a big thumbs up to you guys.
+1 just ordered a few...
Been waiting over a month from AF1 who is waiting on Italy to ship them.
Going to pick up some Marine Syn this weekend.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:50 pm linkquote
Rank Bajin wrote:
14perry wrote:
Just remember these are just temporary grease fittings. The bolts are not strong enough to stay installed.
As it has yet to be published what the actual purpose of these bolts really is, can we really say "They won't be strong enough'.......???


.
The purpose is to grease the original bearings. However, I note no bearing that's had to replaced after the first time (I'm on my fourth replacement, so on my fifth set, long story) has failed due to lack of grease, as they're always well greased on replacement if the tech is sensible. They've failed because:

1. All steering bearings have some finite life, depending on how hard they are.
2. What pre-load they are set to. (Hence the new tools and notes from Piaggio, which IMHO miss the point.)
3. What hard knocks and shocks they receive in their lifetime - ride on cobbled streets in Paris or on Chicago potholes and no bearing known to man will last forever - they will get 'notchy' at some point. Ride on a smooth tarmac surface all the time - they might last your lifetime and well past the engine's lifetime.
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Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:18 pm linkquote
jimc wrote:
Rank Bajin wrote:
14perry wrote:
Just remember these are just temporary grease fittings. The bolts are not strong enough to stay installed.
As it has yet to be published what the actual purpose of these bolts really is, can we really say "They won't be strong enough'.......???


.
The purpose is to grease the original bearings.
Well if that should be the case, why didn't Piaggio just use conventional grease fittings?

10 mm grease fittings in bulk, cost about 4 cents each.
10 mm dia. bolts in bulk cost about 27 cents each.

I suspect these bolts do a little more than plug up a grease fitting hole.


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Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:07 pm linkquote
They didn't - and re-tooling would cost a fortune - so this is a good way to ensure the original bearings are properly greased.

Once they've been replaced (with well greased bearings) there's no need to fill the tube with grease to force some into the now-replaced factory-fitted 'almost dry' ones.

I'm hoping that these are now used at the factory, or the factory properly greases and torques the original bearings when fitting. Not holding my breath though...
Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:24 am

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Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:24 am linkquote
The official Piaggio greaser bolts should be to us very soon, they just got in from Italy.
Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:19 am

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Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:19 am linkquote
we got lots of them in stock now. 25+ in stock
Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:48 am

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Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:48 am linkquote
Rank Bajin wrote:
As it has yet to be published what the actual purpose of these bolts really is, can we really say "They won't be strong enough'.......???
Piaggio's published tech note seems to make it pretty clear what the intended use is of the grease bolts they are distributing.

http://www.wotmeworry.org.uk/manuals/Piaggio%20MP3/Random/3%20wheel%20grease%20tool.pdf
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