Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:29 pm

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2008 Piaggio MP3 500ie
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:29 pm linkquote
I took my 500 to Sierra Motor Sports in Grass Valley. Handed them 2 new grease fitting "tools" I purchased from Scooter West and the Piaggio Tech Note describing the process. They changed me for 0.5 hours to do it and I got my grease fittings back.

Also had them replace the graphite exhaust gasket, do oil change, replace oil and air filters (which I provided), install my HID headlights (also provided by me) and bleed the front brake that another-dealer-which-will-remain-nameless failed to do correctly. Had it all done while I was out of town. I could have done it myself over several hours but I made an extra $600 on the business trip (hazard pay) so I used that and had lots left over.
Sun May 05, 2013 8:09 am

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Sun May 05, 2013 8:09 am linkquote
Slickety Slick!
Did the greasing - finally - yesterday. Took more time taking the tupperware off than actually greasing the the system! I put 35-38 pumps per bolt into the system before grease started oozing out. Then I followed up each with 10-12 more pumps to make sure all the nasty stuff was pretty much flushed out.

WOW - what a difference! The scoot is a LOT more flickable. It's like going from a well-balanced but big road cruiser, down to a small sport bike. Leans in and out of corners a lot quicker and easier, a lot less effort. Definitely a serious improvement. And cheap - I figure if I bought the grease gun (already had it), torque wrench, the grease bolt and the grease, it's probably a $50-$60 job, at the most.

Now to go tackle Old San Marcos road and Painted Cave road - lots of twisties later today!
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Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:10 am

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MP3 400 - MP3 250
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Location: Vacaville CA
 
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Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:10 am linkquote
I know this is an old thread - but its essential reading for new and existing MP3 owners. I was talking to my neighbor about steering notching and the need for regular greasing of bearings. In about 10 minutes he'd made me an M10 grease bolt in his garage. It worked great. Just like in the post. I rode the scooter up a paving slab on one wheel. It lowered the suspension on the oposing wheel enough to access the bolts. One at a time i was able to use the bolt and grease the bearings, replacing the original bolts to 45Nm. The difference in handling is very noticible. Just to be sure i didn't have any notching i jacked up the scooter with both front wheels off the ground- moving the handlebars side to side the action was smooth..
Thanks everyone for contributing to the post.
I do have one last question- i greased the four outer bolts, how do i access the main main two bolts to grease the steering stem?
Oh and finally - i found these on ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/M10-x-1mm-90-Degree-BRASS-Metric-Grease-Zerk-Nipple-Fitting-1-pc-/171852914017?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
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Grease Bolt .

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Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:51 pm

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Waiting
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Location: Alberta Canada
 
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Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:51 pm linkquote
creaseuk wrote:
I know this is an old thread - but its essential reading for new and existing MP3 owners. I was talking to my neighbor about steering notching and the need for regular greasing of bearings. In about 10 minutes he'd made me an M10 grease bolt in his garage. It worked great. Just like in the post. I rode the scooter up a paving slab on one wheel. It lowered the suspension on the oposing wheel enough to access the bolts. One at a time i was able to use the bolt and grease the bearings, replacing the original bolts to 45Nm. The difference in handling is very noticible. Just to be sure i didn't have any notching i jacked up the scooter with both front wheels off the ground- moving the handlebars side to side the action was smooth..
Thanks everyone for contributing to the post.
I do have one last question- i greased the four outer bolts, how do i access the main main two bolts to grease the steering stem?
Oh and finally - i found these on ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/M10-x-1mm-90-Degree-BRASS-Metric-Grease-Zerk-Nipple-Fitting-1-pc-/171852914017?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
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Any chance you can have your friend make another & ship it to a "soon to be owner". I can paypal the funds to cover the cost
Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:52 pm

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MP3 400 - MP3 250
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Location: Vacaville CA
 
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Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:52 pm linkquote
Night Wolf

Parts are made - Instant Message Me witb shipping details.. [/quote]
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Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:48 am

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2007 MP3 250ie / 2022 MP3 500HPE SA
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Location: CCS-Vzla
 
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Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:48 am linkquote
HI, old post but worrying for me. This is applicable to a 2022 model? I prefer to do early maintenance to avoid problems than to solve problems.

If it applies to 2020 models onwards, does anyone know the part number? Since in the places I have seen they sell these modified screws, the most they reach is the year 2018 in the compatibility lists.

Thanks in advance

Dariusz W.
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:15 am

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2015 MP3 500 ie Business
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Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:15 am linkquote
All MP3 require very regular greasing of the fork bearings including the very latest generation. A minimum every 10K km is required, I do mine every 5K km.

You can get the tool,from Scooter West. The grease gun and grease is readily available through Amazon. See link

https://www.scooterwest.com/tool-for-lubricating-mp3-fork-bearings-020943y-ia.html
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:25 am

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MP3 400 - MP3 250
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Location: Vacaville CA
 
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Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:25 am linkquote
I sill have a tool - $15 plus postage ..
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:49 am

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2007 MP3 250ie / 2022 MP3 500HPE SA
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Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:49 am linkquote
What grease is the best one? This one sounds good for the job (I have some in my house):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06ZXV2QM6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:07 am

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Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:07 am linkquote
Not a fan of WD40 anything.

Castrol makes a very good high temp grease that costs very little and has outstanding properties for use in the MP3 especially the fork and wheel bearings.

https://www.castrol.com/content/dam/castrol/country-sites/en_mm/myanmar/home/pdf/high-temperature-grease.pdf



Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:01 pm

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2020 Liberty 150, 2020 MP3-500
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Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:01 pm linkquote
I like this
Go to stuff for rebuilding forks
https://www.amazon.com/Bel-Ray-WATER-PROOF-GREASE-CARTRIDGE/dp/B00RER2SWK/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2P68IKDHKF8I9&keywords=belray+waterproof+grease&qid=1656885283&sprefix=belray+waterproof+grease%2Caps%2C186&sr=8-2
You might find some at the local motorcycle shop
Waterproof grease from a auto parts store will do
Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:55 am

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Piaggio MP3 500 2016
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Location: Gainesville, VA
 
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Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:55 am linkquote
I've read this topic and decided that I need to change grease in the bearings of my 2016 MP3 as well. It has only 3800 miles, but I thought it would be good to refresh it at least.
Made my own greaser bolt... it took me some time, 2 extra bolts and a couple of drill bits to make a through hole straight, but I am satisfied with results.

Found they put no grease in those bearings at the factory.

and I used it to grease 3 points on each side, unscrewed and greased two bolts on the lower bearing and one bolt on the upper one. 6 points in total, instead of 4, but now I know that there is some grease there.



Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:33 pm

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Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:33 pm linkquote
1st bearing service (check and (re)torque) + lube needs to be done at the first 600 mile service, then every 6K mi service.

However, considering those bearings are the Achilles of the MP3 I lube them every 3K service.
Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:53 pm

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Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:53 pm linkquote
@sbaert, thanks, good to know. I am pretty sure first owner of my MP3 did nothing with bearings. So, most likely he missed 600mile inspection to grease those bearings, cause they had no grease inside. It took me 10+ squeezes to get some grease out of bearing. At the beginning I was confused a bit on where is all that grease is going, even checked that my grease gun was working.
Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:57 pm

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Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:57 pm linkquote
IF those bearings were never touched, then you must also loosen and retorque them to avoid having the dreaded notch issue.
Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:05 pm

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Piaggio MP3 500 2016
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Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:05 pm linkquote
@sbaert, do you know how to do that properly?

Actually, I unscrewed those bolts, greased bearings and torqued those bolts back with 50Nm, both bolts on the lower bearing, and front bolt on the upper one. I did that one by one, as I have only one greaser bolt.

Is there something else I supposed to do?
Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:40 pm

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2019 MP3 500 Sport
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Location: California
 
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Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:40 pm linkquote
Correct me if I am wrong, but none of the maintenance is anything out of standard maintenance for relatively unprotected driving parts, the problem is that Piaggio published the maintenance "special update" too late and still claims it's only for unforgiving riding situations.

The protocol is pretty standard and trained mechanics can do it easily.

I bought my trusted motorcycle maintenance Jeddi the greasing tool so it can benefit the MP3 community in the area.
Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:51 am

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Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:51 am linkquote
alexram wrote:
@sbaert, do you know how to do that properly?

Actually, I unscrewed those bolts, greased bearings and torqued those bolts back with 50Nm, both bolts on the lower bearing, and front bolt on the upper one. I did that one by one, as I have only one greaser bolt.

Is there something else I supposed to do?
I think there is some confusion here.

The bolts at each corner of the beams that make up that parallelogram take a torque of about 45-50Nm. However, the service bolt (a.k.a. grease bolt) only takes a fraction of that. I only insert mine until finger tight since the bolt is only there for a few minutes.

The important one that is part of the 600mi/1K km service are the torque on the ring nuts at the top of the forks. These are primary cause, along with lack of a good quality grease from the factory, for the dreaded steering notch. This initial service is the most important one the bike will get and is a pretty good barometer if the bike will develop steering issues in its life.

The ring nuts need to be loosened until they spin freely. I don't follow the factory manual on this, but I tighten the lower nut until it is snug. Then I back it off 90 degrees, followed by tightening the upper ring nut onto the lower nut.

BTW, I pump in grease until it just starts to ooze out of the bearing. It is normal for some grease to dribble out between service intervals, especially during hot summer monts.

I use a high temp bearing grease that does not easily liquify.

FWIW, I grease the bearings every 3Kmi/5K km along with every oil service. Never had a single steering issue thus far and the bike has clocked about 40K so far.
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